Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

[rudebhoy]

I presume your suggesting that I'm not telling the truth then. That's a first on the forum.

I'm suggesting you are mistaken. There is no way that if 20% of people who had booked a test failed to turn up for said tests, it would not be widely reported.

 

[Old Skier]

I'm suggesting you are mistaken. There is no way that if 20% of people who had booked a test failed to turn up for said tests, it would not be widely reported.

Good to know your on the case. I know where to come for correct information,

 

[rudebhoy]

Sports Direct managers accuse firm of making them work on furlough.

Think it was Ted Heath who coined the phrase "the unacceptable face of capitalism" - Ashley really is the epitome of that.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Sorry I hadn't realised that virology, epidemiology and social sciences were your specialist skills.

If only I had known I would have let SAGE know that they had no need of the research they had undertaken.

I am certainly NOT an expert on anything.
But my IOW BIL recons that only 25% of the population on the IOW have a smart phone.
The clue is......….what type of person moves to the IOW.

 

[rudebhoy]

I am certainly NOT an expert on anything.
But my IOW BIL recons that only 25% of the population on the IOW have a smart phone.
The clue is......….what type of person moves to the IOW.

ITV interviewed a couple of locals the other night, one of them said It was terrible that the government was using the islanders as Guinea pigs, for Gods sake, its an app on your phone, it's not like they are force feeding you drugs!

 

[Slab]

Seen a pic of the PM with a costa coffee in today's online rags. Library pic, reusable cup?

One Lockachino Lite please

 

[Imurg]

I am certainly NOT an expert on anything.
But my IOW BIL recons that only 25% of the population on the IOW have a smart phone.
The clue is......….what type of person moves to the IOW.

The bigger clue is..what type of person thinks like this.....
The population of the IoW is approximately 140000.
Approximately 80% of adults have smartphones
Allowing for kids and those who don't bother I think it's fair to say at least 40% are likely to have one.
Hell, let's make it 30%
That still means over 40000 smartphones on the island.
If only half use the app that's still mor than enough to see if it works or not.
And, dont forget, not everybody moves to the IoW...some are actually born there.....

 

[Wolf]

The bigger clue is..what type of person thinks like this.....
The population of the IoW is approximately 140000.
Approximately 80% of adults have smartphones
Allowing for kids and those who don't bother I think it's fair to say at least 40% are likely to have one.
Hell, let's make it 30%
That still means over 40000 smartphones on the island.
If only half use the app that's still mor than enough to see if it works or not.
And, dont forget, not everybody moves to the IoW...some are actually born there.....

There you go being all sensible with actual facts and proper reasoning. You know that doesn't sit with DfT agenda on anything political ?

 

[MegaSteve]

The bigger clue is..what type of person thinks like this.....
The population of the IoW is approximately 140000.
Approximately 80% of adults have smartphones
Allowing for kids and those who don't bother I think it's fair to say at least 40% are likely to have one.
Hell, let's make it 30%
That still means over 40000 smartphones on the island.
If only half use the app that's still mor than enough to see if it works or not.
And, dont forget, not everybody moves to the IoW...some are actually born there.....

I wonder if those that are born on the island then subsequently move to the mainland for their working lives have a habit on retirement of returning to their birthplace spending the rest of their days slagging off mainlanders ...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

ITV interviewed a couple of locals the other night, one of them said It was terrible that the government was using the islanders as Guinea pigs, for Gods sake, its an app on your phone, it's not like they are force feeding you drugs!

Perhaps they mean it is a poor choice because of the low smart phone use.
From what I have seen the app needs around 80% smart phone use to be effective.

They are now saying that UK unemployment will reach between 19% to 35% after the crisis is over.
Worst hit areas will be Northern England.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I am certainly NOT an expert on anything.
But my IOW BIL recons that only 25% of the population on the IOW have a smart phone.
The clue is......….what type of person moves to the IOW.

And your BIL has, of course, undertaken a survey of the islanders and not just relied upon anecdotal evidence from his own circle of contacts.

You really haven't got a clue.

 

[Wolf]

I am certainly NOT an expert on anything.
But my IOW BIL recons that only 25% of the population on the IOW have a smart phone.
The clue is......….what type of person moves to the IOW.

https://www.plumplot.co.uk/Isle-of-Wight-population.html

Yet the average age of its residents as of 2018 was 46 years old ?

I'd hazard a guess that there will be more than 20% smart phone ownership or does your barber, sorry BiL law know better.

 

[Foxholer]

No hearing is still fairly good, not sure if you can get BBC Breakfast on catch up but is was sometime between 0720-0800 if your really interested.

Barnstaple pop up center was so quite you could just rock up if you had symptoms and they would register you there and then and test you.

Just checked and around 7:35 and Ben Wallace, the Defence Secretary, was talking about mobile testing centres - manned by armed forces personnel. He stated, as a bit of an aside, that arounf 25% of those who had booked a test from a mobile test unit did not turn up. Was that it?

 

[Foxholer]

ITV interviewed a couple of locals the other night, one of them said It was terrible that the government was using the islanders as Guinea pigs, for Gods sake, its an app on your phone, it's not like they are force feeding you drugs!

I believe there's quite a historic association of IofW and drugs!

Does demonstrate how such 'pilots' need to be sold to the targetted participants as opposed to simply 'applied'!

 

[drdel]

The App uses Bluetooth to record the proximity to another phone of an infected person and then xcheck to trace other phones back at a data centre. What I'd like is for my phone to warn me that the phone of a potentially infected person is nearby
That way I could avoid the situation

 

[Ethan]

Setting aside the debate over the central/local data retention issue, it seems to me that the strategy requires people who are identified as close contacts to be tested, and if found to be positive, their close contacts to be tested too and son on. It takes a few days to organise testing and get the results back, so by the time the contacts are tested, around 5 days will have passed. This is the median incubation, so decent chance of identifying the next wave of cases. Contacts who test negative will also be tested again if symptoms subsequently appear. The failure to get testing up fast enough at scale is vying with PPE failures as the biggest failings of the entire strategy.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

https://www.plumplot.co.uk/Isle-of-Wight-population.html

Yet the average age of its residents as of 2018 was 46 years old ?

I'd hazard a guess that there will be more than 20% smart phone ownership or does your barber, sorry BiL law know better.

Barber?
A couple of stats to add on,
One on four over 65, one in six houses are single occupancy.
Your own IOW stats states biggest single age group is between 66 and 72.

IOW just seems like a lazy choice, and results will not show as 'average' because it is a flipping island.
Why not choose a town like Cambridge, Oxford or new towns like MK or Swindon where I would imagine smart phone useage would have been much higher.

 

[Wolf]

A couple of stats to add on,
One on four over 65, one in six houses are single occupancy.

IOW just seems like a lazy choice, and results will not show as 'average' because it is a flipping island.
Why not choose a town like Cambridge, Oxford or new towns like MK or Swindon where I would imagine smart phone useage would have been much higher.

Doesn't change the average age of resident though does it therefore makes it a good place to do it as it easier to isolate the tests area

 

[Imurg]

Barber?
A couple of stats to add on,
One on four over 65, one in six houses are single occupancy.
Your own IOW stats states biggest single age group is between 66 and 72.

IOW just seems like a lazy choice, and results will not show as 'average' because it is a flipping island.
Why not choose a town like Cambridge, Oxford or new towns like MK or Swindon where I would imagine smart phone useage would have been much higher.

Its because it's an island....
Travel to and from is relatively restricted so it's easier to see how the virus spreads in a "relatively " confined area.
Choose Oxford or similar and you have much more engagement of people as more are able to come into the city to shop or work, some from many miles away.
They're trying to find out if the app works.
Trailing it in a controllable area makes perfect sense

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Barber?
A couple of stats to add on,
One on four over 65, one in six houses are single occupancy.
Your own IOW stats states biggest single age group is between 66 and 72.

IOW just seems like a lazy choice, and results will not show as 'average' because it is a flipping island.
Why not choose a town like Cambridge, Oxford or new towns like MK or Swindon where I would imagine smart phone useage would have been much higher.

My wife and I are both 71 and each have smartphones.

Using your circle of acquaintances methods to include my golfing circle (approx 16-20) who are all of a similar age I do not know one without such a device.

But then my metric is probably about as accurate as your brother in law.