Old Skier
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Has to go but why has it just come out I wonder. The knives are out and back to yar boo bad politics.
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ColchesterFC
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Would be interesting to know the source that brought this information out into the open. A Tory with an axe to grind with Boris?
Old Skier
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Not popular amongst the rank and file I suspect.
rudebhoy
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If he had any decency, he'd resign immediately.
He won't.
He won't.
SocketRocket
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Isnt there another thread for this type of thing.
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Oh! Its already been posted on there.
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Oh! Its already been posted on there.
rudebhoy
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A cynic might think you are desperately trying to close this discussion down on here ?
Doon frae Troon
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Twice, seemingly, same situation as the former Scottish CMO but 2x300 mile trips instead of 2x65 mile ones.
Now remind me who on here was screaming for her to resign.
Now remind me who on here was screaming for her to resign.
Doon frae Troon
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DanFST
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Twice, seemingly, same situation as the former Scottish CMO but 2x300 mile trips instead of 2x65 mile ones.
Now remind me who on here was screaming for her to resign.
I was.
It's binary, distance doesn't make it better or worse. Ghandi could have travelled one mile further than he was allowed. Should be punished the same as these two inconsiderate ..........
ColchesterFC
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At the time how did she know? She could've had it and been asymptomatic.
This is in no way meant to excuse Cummings at all, he's an entitled idiot and should resign. If he won't resign then he should be sacked, or he should have been sacked whenever this was first discovered, before it became public knowledge. What sort of absolute moron thinks that it's a good idea to go and visit their parents while suffering from symptoms of Covid19? Cummings is 48 so it's not unreasonable to think that his parents, if not actually in the over 70 at risk group are very close to it. So not only did he break lock down rules by travelling he also put two potentially vulnerable people at risk. The government are already trying to brush this off by saying that he didn't break the rules - "his trip was within guidelines as Cummings went to stay with his parents so they could help with childcare while he and his wife were ill - they insist no breach of lockdown". Despite the fact that in a speech on 18th March Boris Johnson said "children should not be left with older grandparents, or older relatives, who may be particularly vulnerable or fall into some of the vulnerable groups". I don't see that there is any option other than for him to go, one way or the other.
SocketRocket
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Just cant see the point of discussing it here and on another thread already made for it.
https://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/t...ye-resign-for-breaking-lockdown-rules.105066/
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Surprised this info got out now, why's it taken so long as neighbours in Durham clocked him weeks ago?. Seems also like the deputy cmo Harries 'advice' that is the only real defence for Cummings actions only came out after Cummings lockdown breaches, not before, smells like a cover up attempt. His Mrs published articles about their covid illnesses with no mention of Durham.
The sage fellow Ferguson and the Scottish CMO woman both resigned under intense pressure for less, you have to think it very hard for him to survive this as a policy maker. Will be many Tory victims of Cummings happy to get rid you'd think as well as opposition parties and media pressuring. There must be disquiet in Conservative circles with how things are going.
Never a dull day in politics.
The sage fellow Ferguson and the Scottish CMO woman both resigned under intense pressure for less, you have to think it very hard for him to survive this as a policy maker. Will be many Tory victims of Cummings happy to get rid you'd think as well as opposition parties and media pressuring. There must be disquiet in Conservative circles with how things are going.
Never a dull day in politics.
rudebhoy
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His parents are in their 70s.
The "exceptional circumstances guidelines" which Number 10 is trying to claim Cummings was following were never actually issued, it was merely an off the cuff remark made by Dr Jenny Harries 2 weeks after Cummings had travelled to Durham. The government "advice" was that children should not be left with elderly grandparents.
Hacker Khan
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They have credibility??
Hacker Khan
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Glossing over the whys and wherefores of him breaking lock down, anyone else slightly perturbed that one of the most influential people in the UK, if not the most influential if some reports are to be believed, was knowingly willing to risk giving his parents Covid?
Personally I've not seen my parents since the lock down began as I want to keep them as safe as possible. And as far as I know I'm Covid free. So can't imagine sending my daughter to stay with them if I got it.
Personally I've not seen my parents since the lock down began as I want to keep them as safe as possible. And as far as I know I'm Covid free. So can't imagine sending my daughter to stay with them if I got it.
larmen
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I know it is too late now, but updated information seem to say you can if you are displaying symptoms and hiding in her spare bedroom.
I really just want to see now how those that called you out are trying to defend Cummings.
Doon frae Troon
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Scots Tories are very tired this morning, they have been up all night on twitter desperately deleting anything with the word Calderwood in it.
It is not open to question is it? He has to go. There needs to be consistency with this, others have had to go, rightly, and he needs to follow them.
Neither he nor the other idiots who have been caught have a leg to stand on.
Neither he nor the other idiots who have been caught have a leg to stand on.
rudebhoy
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It really was a staggeringly bad piece of judgement. Am surprised his parents didn't tell him not to be so stupid when he told them his plan.
Interesting that both him and his wife wrote articles about his illness and never mentioned where they had gone. Indeed, her article implied they had been in London writing "After the uncertainty of the bug itself, we emerged from quarantine into almost comical uncertainty of London lockdown.”
Will be interested to hear Hancock's reaction. It was him who said he was "speechless" about Prof Ferguson breaching the lockdown and said he had done the right thing by resigning.
Wolf
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Exactly this ^^^
Cummings has to go whether through resignation or given the boot by Boris end of. He has no defence for breaking the rules on a)lockdown & b) not leaving a child with people in an at risk age group which was also not supposed to happen.
I fail to see how any Tory MP, supporter or voter could possibly defend it or be willing to accept, because if he doesn't go it would show they're willing to accept the double standards.
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