where did i say they were?
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ColchesterFC
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of course they have been just a poor as the UK gov IMO, but i don't think the Privatisation of Care homes can be layed at the SNP door, happend long before Dev, or the SNP.
i do have some simpathy with the Gov as many are private companies, but just shows what happens when you privatise health
i would love the care homes to be taken back under the NHS, we should be looking after our old, not shoving them in these terrible places. FYI we have had 3 shut down in Sneck due to how poorly they were run all private
I would assume that "taken back under the NHS" gave the impression that they were previously under the NHS. Although I read it as taken back and brought under the NHS.
SocketRocket
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What about not for profit businesses. I believe BUPA ran a number of care homes on a not for profit basis. I'm not fully convinced the NHS would want to take over the running of care homes and I cant see how it's possible to stop someone running a private home, if someone has the money to pay for an exclusive service then surely they can, just like private health.
SocketRocket
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You said they should be brought back into the NHS, they have never been nationalised.
Swinglowandslow
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Easy. You pass a law preventing such a business operating. Such limiting -of -practice laws were commonplace some years back, and some still are.
You cannot practice law as a solicitor except where permitted. Used to be the same with opticians. Some things you just cannot set up to 'practice as'.
Running a care home would be one.
SocketRocket
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Surely those cases you mention are controlled by their official institutes or professional bodies, they're not nationalised. A care home is a business so is not the same, you would have to Nationalise the industry, the Government would have to make a compulsary order to buy the shares of every company and employ all the staff directly. They would then have to create all the infastructure to manage and run them. Sounds like a massive undertaking to me.
There is the Care Act(2000) on the statute books which regulates standards and licencing. So what's needed to improve things? I don't know.
Could they be nationalised, and what about infrastructure? Yes they could be nationalised, and TUPE'ing the staff across would cover staffing needs to certain extent. There is already the regulations, and inspectors. Quite whether there's enough or not, I don't know. But, as in all things, is nationalisation affordable? Its affordable if its a priority.
I don't think it is as cut and dried as some would like to think. We have looked at a few care homes before this all kicked off. The nearest council run home would be last on our list, by quite some way. Number one choice would be a purpose built, dementia specialist home. That home would never have been built by a council, not to the spec it has been built to.
The private sector care homes may need better regulation but without their investment and drive the sector would be a poorer place. They innovate far more than council run homes, they have to to attract residents.
The private sector care homes may need better regulation but without their investment and drive the sector would be a poorer place. They innovate far more than council run homes, they have to to attract residents.
rudebhoy
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Councils have sold off most of their care homes. Like council housing, the ones they are left with are the ones no-one wants to buy. 85% of care home beds are privately owned.
I get what you are saying about investment etc, but that is far from true for a lot of privately run homes. There are massive differences in the quality of care provided, some of the homes I looked at for my dad were appalling, and they were privately owned.
Completely agree with all of your post and the points you are making. By no means do I mean that private care across the board are the solution. As you say, the standard is very mixed indeed and that is very sad and also unacceptable. What the good private homes will do is provide a far better level of facility than any council run home I have seen. Years of under investment in council run ones have led to that and I see no indication that will change going forward. We need to encourage the good and do more to raise the standard of the bad and below average.
SocketRocket
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When I was looking at care homes for my Mother around ten years ago the council ones were privately owned with places funded through social services.
A lot are still similar, they may all be, it is not my area of expertise. It is the same with 'council houses'. Private companies build them and run them, the council hands over the money to the company.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Yes, housing associations, I believe they are not for profit organisations.
Having seen the number of staff and offices of a few of these, the meetings tour around, they may be not for profit but they are doing okay. There is a lot of money sloshing around in this field.
rudebhoy
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Reports that Cummings has been caught breaking the lock down rules, this could be interesting!
HomerJSimpson
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https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...ominic-cummings-broke-lockdown-rules-11993051 Seems a very silly thing to do
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Haven't people had to resign for this kind of thing?
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
If it turns out to be true then he either has to resign or be fired. I'm sure that Boris will try to front it out, at least initially, but I can't see how he can possibly keep his job if he's done this.
rudebhoy
Q-School Graduate
Pulled by coppers for driving to Durham when he was supposed to be self isolating. Then did it again the next week. Unbelievable but will be brushed under the carpet.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Will be interesting if that is still the case now that it's in the public domain.
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