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drdel
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In terms of military strategy and operations I accept the differences you cite. However for the public terrorism is an invisible threat and people are asked to be alert. Security and armed police at airports reinforce the message of the covert potential. A pandemic has similarities In terms of the awareness and controlling policies that the public are asked to adopt.
I agree it is a long way from being In a war zone or on terrorist patrol but from a layperson's perspective being alert to the risk and dangers terrorism and pandemic are, IMO, not miles apart.
Thank you. I was trying to put it in a way that wouldn't upset the ex-service people amongst us. The airport analogy, which was dismissed is fairly accurate. You can't "smell or see" a terrorist. Whilst we should defer in some things to those with more experience, sometimes they should try to walk in our shoes too to understand our perspective.
Foxholer
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My 'justification' for forgiving Grauniad somewhat - as opposed to detesting DM's blind loyalty - is that, while it's definitely left of centre (and I'm probably a little that way too in some ways but right of centre in others), its criticism of Tories is generally based on facts/legitimate 'criticism', so 'better' journalism than the slavish imo(though perhaps too often ONLY that side of the story). Wifey 2 was a DM devotee - and a Deputy Head Teacher - so plenty of potential for 'interesting' discussions - or, more often, 'Yes Dear' then silence!
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Personally find it hard to take seriously any publication that gives space to either Owen Jones or Polly Toynbee.
Each seem only interested in twisting any situation to find a way to blame the Tories.
Mind you I feel equally as strongly about the likes of Littlejohn and Hitchens.
And as for that odious woman Hopkins! Words fail me, and that doesn't often happen.
SocketRocket
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But you felt cosy and reassured flying in the chopper I had maintained ?
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It’s not a case of walking in anyone’s shoes, each member of a civilised society contributes in their own way, it’s the ridiculous analogies and sentiments of comparing it to WW2 that annoy me.
I’m sure someone could put up an argument to compare the risk and being alert to any danger in life to Covid-19, wearing Uniform or not we are all at risk from terrorism and have all experienced it, but it’s the comparing it to the blitz and rationing and sitting in Anderson Shelters etc is plain daft.
What next? Compare NHS staff to WW1 Soldiers and them being sent over the top to face certain death.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Been listening to Matt Hancock statement in HoC and on contact tracing I am confused.
How many contact tracers have been employed? At the start of his statement I am sure he said 22,000 had been employed - then he said 8500 contact tracers and, I think, 13,500 call handlers. I don’t recall the exact total and split but the 8500 contact tracers was definite. Then later under questioning he said the government had employed 22,000 contact tracers.
Now a call handler is not the same as a contact tracer - the latter requires as a minimum a Band 6 nursing level (or equivalent) plus other experience - including registration with such as the NMC - as far as we are aware the call handler role does not. And please excuse my scepticism - but I suspect that the majority of call handlers are not new employees at all but redeployments from other government helpline services. I do hope Hancock is not embarking on a little bit of spin to disguise the fact that he has not employed the 18,000 contact tracers he set out to employ by now.
My Mrs has applied to be a contact tracer and has been told that she has got through to the interview stage - but doesn’t have a date for it yet. If the government has all the contact tracers they need maybe she won’t bother. And she will be pretty dismayed if this is just a smoke screen to try and hide another bit of a failure. Sadly.
I hope I misunderstood the figures. But if someone can clarify what Hancock has said.
How many contact tracers have been employed? At the start of his statement I am sure he said 22,000 had been employed - then he said 8500 contact tracers and, I think, 13,500 call handlers. I don’t recall the exact total and split but the 8500 contact tracers was definite. Then later under questioning he said the government had employed 22,000 contact tracers.
Now a call handler is not the same as a contact tracer - the latter requires as a minimum a Band 6 nursing level (or equivalent) plus other experience - including registration with such as the NMC - as far as we are aware the call handler role does not. And please excuse my scepticism - but I suspect that the majority of call handlers are not new employees at all but redeployments from other government helpline services. I do hope Hancock is not embarking on a little bit of spin to disguise the fact that he has not employed the 18,000 contact tracers he set out to employ by now.
My Mrs has applied to be a contact tracer and has been told that she has got through to the interview stage - but doesn’t have a date for it yet. If the government has all the contact tracers they need maybe she won’t bother. And she will be pretty dismayed if this is just a smoke screen to try and hide another bit of a failure. Sadly.
I hope I misunderstood the figures. But if someone can clarify what Hancock has said.
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SocketRocket
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Analogies aren't meant to be factually representative, they are a slightly abstract or allegorical way of viewing something, often used to make the matter easier for someone to understand.
'You're like a fish out of water' isnt suggesting that you've turned into a fish and are suffocating. With Corona virus someone might say 'This is a war we must win' or even 'We cannot allow this hidden enemy to win the war, we must fight and destroy it with every weapon in our armoury' OK, flowery language but sometimes it can register the seriousness of a situation with some people and help reinforce a common cause. I really dont see why anyone should be offended by it but if you are it is just a symptom of how 'One man's meat is another's poison ' ?
'You're like a fish out of water' isnt suggesting that you've turned into a fish and are suffocating. With Corona virus someone might say 'This is a war we must win' or even 'We cannot allow this hidden enemy to win the war, we must fight and destroy it with every weapon in our armoury' OK, flowery language but sometimes it can register the seriousness of a situation with some people and help reinforce a common cause. I really dont see why anyone should be offended by it but if you are it is just a symptom of how 'One man's meat is another's poison ' ?
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TBH, I'm not bothered about comparisons either way. But any crisis, whatever it is, brings about different human strengths and weaknesses. Strength of character, stamina, fortitude, overcoming fear, putting yourself in danger for others. And then there's fear, anxiety, depression and a potential for PTSD for those who experience it over a prolonged period.
When you were out there where the shots were flying you'll have seen someone looking like a scared rabbit and someone barely registering the noise, their brain recognising its nowhere near them. And if you spent a few hours in ICU you would hear alarms going off almost all of the time, and you would see the rabbit in the headlights and a lot of people who'd give it barely a second glance. ICU for the uninitiated, especially a relative is frightening, and it generates the flight or fight response.
How different people rationalise their current experiences is actually a very personal thing, and is about frontal lobe, back of house. If they want to rationalise it as a war, for their own piece of mind, I actually think its wrong of you or Wolfie to dismiss them. Not being able to rationalise things, and put them in the filing cabinet at the back of the brain, is what causes mental issues. I don't disagree with how you and Wolfie view this current crisis, nor your views on how others might view it but dismissing them is actually very wrong.
clubchamp98
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My apologies I misread it.
I have edited my post .
But the point still stands that a pupil can be infected.
clubchamp98
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That’s her dilemma .
Either not go to work or find somewhere else to live.
Should she really have to move home just to do her job ?
Who pays for that?
Where would she go all hotels around here are closed.?
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I've just had an email from my MS (Member of Welsh Parliament categorically confirming that in Wales....we are still in lock down except,
- You can drive to a Garden Centre. No limits or restictions
- You can drive to golf "locally. No definition of local as Wales is a mix of urban and rural. But 23 miles from Cardiff to Porthcawl is specifically mentioned as too far. So did I break the law this morning?? No idea. (16 miles away from a village)
- You can go fishing. As long as you walk there. No driving allowed.
AmandaJR
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I'm not at all sure what the answer is with schools. I do really worry about those children from problem homes and what they could be going through without school as respite and "shelter". Childline calls have increased since lockdown.
So it seems logical to wait until September but that's a long time for such children to suffer, never mind the gaps in education.
Can it be optional? Key workers children attending is optional so let the parents of the age groups concerned decide and declare their intentions so the school can plan.
So it seems logical to wait until September but that's a long time for such children to suffer, never mind the gaps in education.
Can it be optional? Key workers children attending is optional so let the parents of the age groups concerned decide and declare their intentions so the school can plan.
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rosecott
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Won’t be long until those who have never served come along and tell us bringing back National Service will sort all our problems out.
Now you've nearly tempted me to say "never did me any harm",
clubchamp98
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So you can drive to golf .
But can’t to fish.?
Who thought of that, someone’s partner dosnt like fishing.
Reemul
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At my wife's school I have some updated figures, so far it looks like 45% of reception and year 1 coming back and around 60% for year 6. Many parents are also saying it depends on what happens in the next few weeks and that a drop is likely to increase participation and an increase in deaths or not a small enough drop will cause a decrease in participation.
Common sense really
Common sense really
Doon frae Troon
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From 28th May my wife and I should be able to meet up outdoors with my two daughters and their families [not at the same time] so long as we social distance.
Golf and other outdoor sports [to be defined] garden centres etc to be opened.
Good planning from the Scottish Gov. Give everyone a chance to get organised.
Golf and other outdoor sports [to be defined] garden centres etc to be opened.
Good planning from the Scottish Gov. Give everyone a chance to get organised.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Listening to Raab - but comments apply to everyone...there is unprecedented ramping up of the use of unprecedented which applies to the use of ramping up. ?
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