TFL spend more time on strike for “safety reasons” than actually working
Clean air zones
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TFL spend more time on strike for “safety reasons” than actually working
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Deleted member 21784
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Thank you, apologises for my tone I re read what I said and I got snappy. I've got a 3 year old shouting in my ear because she's tired so apologises for my shortness.
Yes your correct I agree with all that they should live up to standard, and if not maintained they might not
There isn't any proof that I can see that they wouldn't meet standards, I'd take pictures of the number plate and report them to tfl for looking into maintenance.
There was a case in 2015 that they had faulty batteries and no data provided for emissions just in diesel mode however their engines are meant to meet the standards regardless
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Deleted member 21784
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I appreciate your attempts at humour but their are 365 working days in a year and I don't believe we even lost 20 due to strike action last year in one of the worst years for industrial relations in 2 decades
But don't get facts get in the way of an attempt of a joke
Jamesbrown
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Funnily enough I did notice nobody cared! Truth is like poetry, and nobody likes poetry. An engineered crisis to be taken advantage and profiteer off. I wonder where the money will go? Grants for cleaner travel? Solar power for all constituents of enforcing councils, a wind farm, solar farm or someone’s back pockets? One thing for sure though it all wont go to a brighter cleaner future. Bet my dogs on it!
Fade and Die
Medal Winner
Ulez is about improving air quality.
clubchamp98
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Yes very similar to parking tickets.
the rich just pay them it’s worth it to them for the convenience.
What about if you get three parking tickets you get a month ban, might make them think.
So carry on polluting, just treat it as a donation for all the poor peoples public transport.
Yes the rich get richer by wasting money
clubchamp98
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It’s not wasting money to them .Yes the rich get richer by wasting money
Its saving time!
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Deleted member 21784
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The rich drive cars that meet the standards in the main...
Id think most rich people drive cars that compliant tbf, or at least their chauffeur does
And using apocryphal stories too, tut tut
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
That’s not the point though.
even if there’s only a few of them.
The rich can pollute as long as they pay.
But it’s not them vandalising the cameras.
You need to take the people with you , this obviously isn’t doing that.
I could respect and understand a ban on non compliant cars . Given transport in London is very good.
They would have big problems in other Citys.
but letting them pollute as long as they pay is just wrong imo.
clubchamp98
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really !Id think most rich people drive cars that compliant tbf, or at least their chauffeur does
And using apocryphal stories too, tut tut
guy I know has had many parking fines because he can’t be arsed using the car park 100 yds from his favourite restaurant.
He just pays the fines.
Yes it's exactly that .... A story of doubtful nature but widely believed to be true. I'm sure some people don't care about parking fines, but I'd be doubtful there are swathes of ultra rich doing it, more likely to just get driven by someone. I often see AMS 1 parked up and it's always in a proper space.
CliveW
Tour Winner
Interesting reading about Glasgow's LEZ.... https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.../air-pollution-increases-glasgow-low-30264072
Oddsocks
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Skim read a bit of this thread and while I see the pro of the ulez to fund the upgrades my biggest gripe is the timing.
Fact: there is a shortage and delays on any new vehicles being manufactured and delivered mainly off the back of covid. New transit, 12-18 months( shortage of components paired with demand thanks to online sales/Amazon boosts), any volvo other than xc40’s are 18-24 months, new a4’s 12 months, the list is endless across all brands. With an already longer than average wait time it has forced newer / ex demo models through the roof! Most a4 demos were only reduced by £1000 as an ex dealer demo over new cost when this used to be the 20% vat (minimum £7k) The xc40 I looked at was £4k more expensive than RRP due to lead times and there was no negotiation.
Short supply on new / compliant cars have rocketed prices, older compliant cars have mirrored this trend.
The ulez has its merits, but it should never have been rolled out during times when the motor industry is still playing catch up and where vehicles are at record prices both new and used. I also feel that it should never have been rolled out during the cost of living crisis where companies are going to the wall due to other increasing overheads,,construction is slowing due to increase materiel costs etc etc
Merits - Yes, but it’s priced wrongly. Why should people pay £12.50 to drive into London with all money going into tfl when it’s only £10 on a train return if you live within one of the london travel zones. It should have been around £5.00 especially for inner and Greater London residents, this would have received far less kick back.
Rushed and Badly timed - they couldn’t have got it any more wrong if they tried. 9 months notice in the middle of spikes on every other outgoing in households. There should have been a 4-5 year notice for people to brace themselves and allow manufactures to catch up with back orders from pre & post covid orders. Had the dealers caught up, by the end of the 5 year build up there would be a huge cycle of used pcp and lease vehicles all compliant going back into the resale market making the transition to compliant cars more affordable with less people getting in debt to buy them.
Fact: there is a shortage and delays on any new vehicles being manufactured and delivered mainly off the back of covid. New transit, 12-18 months( shortage of components paired with demand thanks to online sales/Amazon boosts), any volvo other than xc40’s are 18-24 months, new a4’s 12 months, the list is endless across all brands. With an already longer than average wait time it has forced newer / ex demo models through the roof! Most a4 demos were only reduced by £1000 as an ex dealer demo over new cost when this used to be the 20% vat (minimum £7k) The xc40 I looked at was £4k more expensive than RRP due to lead times and there was no negotiation.
Short supply on new / compliant cars have rocketed prices, older compliant cars have mirrored this trend.
The ulez has its merits, but it should never have been rolled out during times when the motor industry is still playing catch up and where vehicles are at record prices both new and used. I also feel that it should never have been rolled out during the cost of living crisis where companies are going to the wall due to other increasing overheads,,construction is slowing due to increase materiel costs etc etc
Merits - Yes, but it’s priced wrongly. Why should people pay £12.50 to drive into London with all money going into tfl when it’s only £10 on a train return if you live within one of the london travel zones. It should have been around £5.00 especially for inner and Greater London residents, this would have received far less kick back.
Rushed and Badly timed - they couldn’t have got it any more wrong if they tried. 9 months notice in the middle of spikes on every other outgoing in households. There should have been a 4-5 year notice for people to brace themselves and allow manufactures to catch up with back orders from pre & post covid orders. Had the dealers caught up, by the end of the 5 year build up there would be a huge cycle of used pcp and lease vehicles all compliant going back into the resale market making the transition to compliant cars more affordable with less people getting in debt to buy them.
cliveb
Head Pro
Someone posted a link to a video in post #155
I made the effort to watch it (and the second part). While it is obviously not a rigorous scientific test, it's difficult to see any glaring errors that would explain away the general conclusions. What did he do to get these measurements so wrong?
Unless there's something seriously flawed with his methodology, it would appear that both general air quality and particulate pollution on busy roads both inside and outside the ULEZ zone (prior to extension) is well within recommended levels, but it is significantly worse on tube trains.
I made the effort to watch it (and the second part). While it is obviously not a rigorous scientific test, it's difficult to see any glaring errors that would explain away the general conclusions. What did he do to get these measurements so wrong?
Unless there's something seriously flawed with his methodology, it would appear that both general air quality and particulate pollution on busy roads both inside and outside the ULEZ zone (prior to extension) is well within recommended levels, but it is significantly worse on tube trains.
cliveb
Head Pro
That report focusses on an increase in nitrogen oxides from May to June.
Isn't it the case that lots of sunshine inevitably causes these levels to rise? And June was a particularly sunny month this year, so there's an alternative explanation for what is reported.
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How much rent do you charge him to live in your head or is he in there rent free?
