Clean air zones

[Dando]

Not being funny but a fair few people have a problem with khan because he is Asian

It's pathetic to see in this day and age but the abuse he gets is disgraceful.

Scale of racist abuse sent to Sadiq Khan revealed

Study shows more than 300,000 racist messages mentioning Mr Khan sent since 2016 - and the number linked to Ulez have increased ‘exponentially’

www.standard.co.uk

Others don’t like him because he’s a tin pot mayor who ignored votes because they didn’t go his way

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Others don’t like him because he’s a tin pot mayor who ignored votes because they didn’t go his way

Does that make what he received fine then? Because I was apparently playing the race card? Even tho it's factual that he has received awful amounts of abuse

Anti ulez has been hijacked by anti Khan

Fine people don't like him but they ignore facts to justify their dislike of him.

For the record I think khan is a rubbish mayor, but I think ulez is a good idea (that wasn't his he has just grown it)

 

[stefanovic]

Have you ever wondered why the late Queen and her family spent so much time in Balmoral and other residences, going back to Queen Victoria?

The air to the throne: Buckingham Palace has highest levels of air

The Queen's London residence and other tourists attractions in London are among the most polluted locations in the UK

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Billysboots]

Folks, a quick reminder please regarding the forum rules relating to political comments.

I appreciate it’s difficult to divorce this topic from politics, but I’m going to ask that you try, otherwise I’m going to lock the thread. One or two comments are starting to stray in the wrong direction.

Thanks.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Those projects I mention will clean up Dartford and Thurrock for sure

Things coming up the A2 that cause the delays at Dartford will cross at the new lower crossing rather than go all the way up , thus spreading the traffic

Silvertown will take pressure off aswell

LTN Are different, however you don't overly hear complaints for residents of them. They seem to enjoy their safer roads to the rat runs before

Sorry, but you are wrong.
Yes, the A2 tails back trying to get onto the Tunnel approach, but that is only because the tunnel still has a convaluted entrance that causes concern and worry for many drivers who think it is only 2 lanes.
The lower Thames crossing won't be built for around 15-20 years, and when it is will cause untold delays to anybody using the A2 East or West and also west bound down to M2 junction 3.
It will be years of delays and lane closures witht he massive works they are trying to push through.
The whole process will destroy lots of nature and cause a huge increase of pollution from standing and slow moving traffic.

The Dartford tunnel approach isn't big enough nor is the Dartford Tunnel.
Both ways should be 5 or 6 lanes and both using bridges. It may be the Lower Thames crossing will ease the traffic flow at the Dratford Tunnel eventually, but you are talking 20 years time and by then the traffic numbers will have risen way past where we are now or what they even think they might be.
The M25 isn't big enough now, or when it was finally open as we never plan for the future effectively.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Sorry, but you are wrong.
Yes, the A2 tails back trying to get onto the Tunnel approach, but that is only because the tunnel still has a convaluted entrance that causes concern and worry for many drivers who think it is only 2 lanes.
The lower Thames crossing won't be built for around 15-20 years, and when it is will cause untold delays to anybody using the A2 East or West and also west bound down to M2 junction 3.
It will be years of delays and lane closures witht he massive works they are trying to push through.
The whole process will destroy lots of nature and cause a huge increase of pollution from standing and slow moving traffic.

The Dartford tunnel approach isn't big enough nor is the Dartford Tunnel.
Both ways should be 5 or 6 lanes and both using bridges. It may be the Lower Thames crossing will ease the traffic flow at the Dratford Tunnel eventually, but you are talking 20 years time and by then the traffic numbers will have risen way past where we are now or what they even think they might be.
The M25 isn't big enough now, or when it was finally open as we never plan for the future effectively.

Whilst I agree, what's the solution? Do nothing and hope it fixes itself?

Any pollution created will be nothing compared to what it saves by easing pressure on Dartford to be fair

 

[backwoodsman]

Others don’t like him because he’s a tin pot mayor who ignored votes because they didn’t go his way

Hmm..

I don't like him (from personal dealings with him) and I think he's a noxious weasel. But I happen to think that the expansion of ULEZ is a good idea. Ard begrudging credit to him for sticking to his guns on it.

 

[Alan Clifford]

Just drove out and our local camera has been sabotaged. Looked like a paintball or some white paint over the lense.

Seems uneccessary violence when a paper bag would work.

 

[Fade and Die]

The shocking truth about the capitals air quality. Allegedly. Wouldn’t test it myself as I’ve no need to go there ever.
Interesting two part series none the less.
Someone get their own off Amazon and test theirselves!

No one’s listening mate…


I mean if it’s as they say and most vehicles comply then why go to all the expense of putting hundreds of cameras up? Why not just make the MOT test more stringent on emissions? that will get the real polluting vehicles off the road.

Seems crazy to spend £200M to get a handful of vehicles off the road… once the older vehicles have gone will the cameras come down?

 

[sunshine]

Lot of deliveroo type drivers use electric cycles now as opposed to mopeds to keep the costs down , makes the emissions drop for sure

This has become a problem now. They are behaving like cyclists but in reality they’re driving a moped. I don’t mind cyclists bending a few traffic rules, because they are not endangering anyone (other than themselves) and they are moving relatively slowly. But the delivery drivers are taking the piss, the vehicles should be registered.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Seems crazy to spend £200M to get a handful of vehicles off the road… once the older vehicles have gone will the cameras come down?

I suspect the goalposts will move. Once the money is coming in, they won't want it turning off.

 

[Fade and Die]

I suspect the goalposts will move. Once the money is coming in, they won't want it turning off.

They need 16 Million non ULEZ compliant journeys to be made before they even break even!
Seems like a typical governmental way to tackle a problem , throw money at it and ride roughshod over the poorer end of society. Even if a more efficient solution is possible…. (Not intended as a political statement as both sides do the same but edit if necessary)

 

[Deleted member 21784]

They need 16 Million non ULEZ compliant journeys to be made before they even break even!
Seems like a typical governmental way to tackle a problem , throw money at it and ride roughshod over the poorer end of society. Even if a more efficient solution is possible…. (Not intended as a political statement as both sides do the same but edit if necessary)

Your just looking at cars tho... Hgv and such play the low emission charge which is a lot more and covers more areas now I believe (believe it goes in line with ulez)

£100 per day or £300 per day depending on emissions

Then you got to think the charge will increase from £12.50 as people upgrade. I predict within 5 years will be £20

Once almost nobody has cars that don't meet the standards will change

 

[Hobbit]

Your just looking at cars tho... Hgv and such play the low emission charge which is a lot more and covers more areas now I believe (believe it goes in line with ulez)

£100 per day or £300 per day depending on emissions

Then you got to think the charge will increase from £12.50 as people upgrade. I predict within 5 years will be £20

Once almost nobody has cars that don't meet the standards will change

Understandably, HGV/commercial vehicles will be charged more but those businesses will pass on those charges to customers. Joe Public, with a compliant vehicle, having work done by Fred the plumber ends up paying ULEZ via the backdoor. Jeff Public, Joe’s brother, has a non-compliant car and ends up paying twice. Once for his own car and once for Fred the plumber’s vehicle. In effect, businesses get away with it by passing on the charges.

 

[Fade and Die]

Your just looking at cars tho... Hgv and such play the low emission charge which is a lot more and covers more areas now I believe (believe it goes in line with ulez)

£100 per day or £300 per day depending on emissions

Then you got to think the charge will increase from £12.50 as people upgrade. I predict within 5 years will be £20

Once almost nobody has cars that don't meet the standards will change

Could all be done by having stricter emission levels on the MOT test, as vehicles fail they are removed from the road, all done over a period of a few years, not the big stick all cars “this old” off the road NOW!

Everyone can see it’s a genuine way to get the actual polluting cars off the roads. None of this, “you are a polluter but if you slip us £12.50 that will be ok”

 

[larmen]

Could all be done by having stricter emission levels on the MOT test, as vehicles fail they are removed from the road, all done over a period of a few years, not the big stick all cars “this old” off the road NOW!

Everyone can see it’s a genuine way to get the actual polluting cars off the roads. None of this, “you are a polluter but if you slip us £12.50 that will be ok”

Germany does that. They do TÜV (mot) every 2 years for cars above 3 years old, but ASU (emission testing) annually for cars over 3 years, I think. You need both batches valid to drive the car.

Additionally there are emission based stickers based on Euro3, Euro4, … without you can’t drive into environmental zones, mostly cities. This is similar to ulez which you can pay for.

 

[Fade and Die]

Germany does that. They do TÜV (mot) every 2 years for cars above 3 years old, but ASU (emission testing) annually for cars over 3 years, I think. You need both batches valid to drive the car.

Additionally there are emission based stickers based on Euro3, Euro4, … without you can’t drive into environmental zones, mostly cities. This is similar to ulez which you can pay for.

Similar scheme in some French cities. seems very efficient... (wouldn't expect anything else from the Germans )

 

[road2ruin]

Why not just make the MOT test more stringent on emissions? that will get the real polluting vehicles off the road.

This, for me, is exactly the sort of solution that should be discussed. If it really is about cleaning up air do it fairly so it affects everyone so we clear up the entire country's air pollution and not just a few areas.

 

[Slab]

This, for me, is exactly the sort of solution that should be discussed. If it really is about cleaning up air do it fairly so it affects everyone so we clear up the entire country's air pollution and not just a few areas.

And a bit off topic but while you're looking at MOTs then review why a modern 3-4 year old car even needs to go for an MOT
They must know the failure rate and I (guess) its very low for this age of car

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Could all be done by having stricter emission levels on the MOT test, as vehicles fail they are removed from the road, all done over a period of a few years, not the big stick all cars “this old” off the road NOW!

Everyone can see it’s a genuine way to get the actual polluting cars off the roads. None of this, “you are a polluter but if you slip us £12.50 that will be ok”

It's not £12.50 and it's ok, it's a deterant and reduces the amount coming in