Clean air zones

[stefanovic]

How many illegal cars on road?
This goes back a bit.

Seven million illegal cars on UK roads

* From bald tyres to missing mirrors * Average delay to fix is four months * Young drivers are worst offenders

www.whatcar.com

How many untaxed cars? In 2019 it was 600,000.
How many cars have false (cloned) number plates? 1.75 million and counting.

No problem with pollution for some.

 

[Fade and Die]

It's not £12.50 and it's ok, it's a deterant and reduces the amount coming in

But £12.50 isn’t a deterrent. It’s an amount that most people can pay. If it was a deterrent it would be £100.

 

[sunshine]

And a bit off topic but while you're looking at MOTs then review why a modern 3-4 year old car even needs to go for an MOT
They must know the failure rate and I (guess) its very low for this age of car

I think it's pretty fair, cars don't need an MOT for the first 3 years. By that point a car could easily be unsafe for driving, e.g. worn tyres or brake discs.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

But £12.50 isn’t a deterrent. It’s an amount that most people can pay. If it was a deterrent it would be £100.

£12.50 a day or £62.50 a week, a lot of people will reduce their journeys, might car share with a colleague .. or even change cars to save paying the £250 a month in charges

Considering how many people have already switched cars ahead of ulez coming into force you can't deny that it's deterred them from using their old car in the zone.

 

[clubchamp98]

But £12.50 isn’t a deterrent. It’s an amount that most people can pay. If it was a deterrent it would be £100.

Agree.
it’s like fining a millionaire £10.000. That’s nothing to him.
But £12.50 a day is a lot to a normal person going to work.

Just ban cars from City centres same for everyone.
They would have to sort the public transport first in most Citys though.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

If Khan was totally fair about ULEZ and the congestion charge, there would be no exemptions, for residents or anyone. That would also include Black cabs.
Last week, I saw 3 vehicles billowing from their engine bay/exhaust. All were London buses.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

If Khan was totally fair about ULEZ and the congestion charge, there would be no exemptions, for residents or anyone. That would also include Black cabs.
Last week, I saw 3 vehicles billowing from their engine bay/exhaust. All were London buses.

London buses have all been converted Tho, because you can convert excisting vehicles

London's buses now meet ULEZ emissions standards across the entire city

London’s buses now meet ULEZ emissions standards across the entire city

tfl.gov.uk

 

[paddyjk]

If Khan was totally fair about ULEZ and the congestion charge, there would be no exemptions, for residents or anyone. That would also include Black cabs.
Last week, I saw 3 vehicles billowing from their engine bay/exhaust. All were London buses.

Most london cabs I see are electric these days and over half the bus fleet is now electric or hydrogen one of the biggest fleet in Europe to be fair. It's easy to use a couple of anecdotes but the facts are different.
As someone who has worked in the city for a long time , the change is massive and welcome

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Most london cabs I see are electric these days and over half the bus fleet is now electric or hydrogen one of the biggest fleet in Europe to be fair. It's easy to use a couple of anecdotes but the facts are different.
As someone who has worked in the city for a long time , the change is massive and welcome

As posted above the entire fleet (apart from some school buses and training buses) are all ulez compliant . Anyone that wasn't was converted

Most cabs like you say are now

Even the mini cabs you see a lot of mg5 electric ones about

 

[larmen]

Black Cabs have a fairly low shelf life after which they can’t be licensed anymore.

 

[CliveW]

Could all be done by having stricter emission levels on the MOT test, as vehicles fail they are removed from the road, all done over a period of a few years, not the big stick all cars “this old” off the road NOW!

Everyone can see it’s a genuine way to get the actual polluting cars off the roads. None of this, “you are a polluter but if you slip us £12.50 that will be ok”

Then you get the likes of VW installing software that reduces the emissions when it is being tested!

 

[Bunkermagnet]

London buses have all been converted Tho, because you can convert excisting vehicles

London's buses now meet ULEZ emissions standards across the entire city

London’s buses now meet ULEZ emissions standards across the entire city

tfl.gov.uk

All 3 were the new Routemasters, which whilst may run electric have a generator to charge I believe. Either way, they were not a good sight.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

All 3 were the new Routemasters, which whilst may run electric have a generator to charge I believe. Either way, they were not a good sight.

They are an electric diesel hybrid and are very ulez compliant so any emissions are within safe levels of nox

 

[Bunkermagnet]

They are an electric diesel hybrid and are very ulez compliant so any emissions are within safe levels of nox

Things do go wrong, and these examples were leaving visible exhaust fumes. If they are running correctly they won't show any visible exhaust but obviously they weren't. So perhaps the TFL maintainence isn't up to scratch.
You would think they wouldnt be allowed to leave a depot like that, but perhaps double standards apply for buses.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Things do go wrong, and these examples were leaving visible exhaust fumes. If they are running correctly they won't show any visible exhaust but obviously they weren't. So perhaps the TFL maintainence isn't up to scratch.
You would think they wouldnt be allowed to leave a depot like that, but perhaps double standards apply for buses.

Did you take your emissions detector with you to check or just jumping to conclusions?

Tfl don't maintain the buses, they are franchised out to various operators like first , arriva etc

 

[backwoodsman]

Things do go wrong, and these examples were leaving visible exhaust fumes. If they are running correctly they won't show any visible exhaust but obviously they weren't. So perhaps the TFL maintainence isn't up to scratch.
You would think they wouldnt be allowed to leave a depot like that, but perhaps double standards apply for buses.

Depends when you saw them. Most 'visible exhaust' is water vapour (and dependent on atmospheric conditions)

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Did you take your emissions detector with you to check or just jumping to conclusions?

Tfl don't maintain the buses, they are franchised out to various operators like first , arriva etc

Perhaps you don't understand, or choose not to. A clean engine won't produce any visible exhaust fumes. I don't need an exhaust detector for that, I have eyes.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Depends when you saw them. Most 'visible exhaust' is water vapour (and dependent on atmospheric conditions)

Not when it's blue/black.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Perhaps you don't understand, or choose not to. A clean engine won't produce any visible exhaust fumes. I don't need an exhaust detector for that, I have eyes.

Yes you have eyes but within 3 posts you have posted to be fair utter horse rubbish assumptions just to push an agenda

Number 1 myth busted. All tfl buses are ulez .
Number 2 they maintained by franchises not tfl

So please look up some facts before just posting numpty things to suit your argument ..

We get it you don't support ulez. That's fine but please actually come up with factual based arguements against other than what you "assume" to be correct

Thank you.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Yes you have eyes but within 3 posts you have posted to be fair utter horse rubbish assumptions just to push an agenda

Number 1 myth busted. All tfl buses are ulez .
Number 2 they maintained by franchises not tfl

So please look up some facts before just posting numpty things to suit your argument ..

We get it you don't support ulez. That's fine but please actually come up with factual based arguements against other than what you "assume" to be correct

Thank you.

Ok, I get you're Mr TFL, we all get that. A bus or any vehicle may be ULEZ compliant when it's registered but if it isn't maintained correctly or has a fault it is going to pollute greatly compared to its new status.
So what if TFL is just an office organisation that doesn't do much more than that, but every contractor working for them REPRESENTS THEM and therefore has a duty to show and operate at what TFL expect of everyone else.