Clean air zones

[larmen]

Merits - Yes, but it’s priced wrongly. Why should people pay £12.50 to drive into London with all money going into tfl when it’s only £10 on a train return if you live within one of the london travel zones. It should have been around £5.00 especially for inner and Greater London residents, this would have received far less kick back.

But, that’s the point. It is cheaper to travel in clean by public transport than it is to travel and pollute.

Btw, my day return would be £15 in zone 6.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

But, that’s the point. It is cheaper to travel in clean by public transport than it is to travel and pollute.

Btw, my day return would be £15 in zone 6.

Yeah if anything ulez is too low to temp people from long journeys to the rail but I don't think those are the journeys that are being targeted because who goes 1-6 by car often in the main? Where as say using a bus over a car just in zone six would really save money compared to ulez

 

[Dando]

How much rent do you charge him to live in your head or is he in there rent free?

I watch sky news and he was on there talking crap about ULEZ like all his supporters/staff do

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I watch sky news and he was on there talking crap about ULEZ like all his supporters/staff do

Maybe don't watch sky news if it's going to trigger you

 

[Lord Tyrion]

@Dando It may be impossible to continue this thread without dipping into political waters. Posts are either crossing the line or balancing right on it too often. If that is the case then we will simply have to lock it.

 

[Jamesbrown]

Yes the rich get richer by wasting money

Time is money.

I don’t pay in pay in display car parks and I park on double yellows. I’ve only had two fines at £30 and another at £35.
I’ve saved money parking improperly over the years.

 

[Oddsocks]

But, that’s the point. It is cheaper to travel in clean by public transport than it is to travel and pollute.

Btw, my day return would be £15 in zone 6.

So how does that work for people carrying tools, potential trade samples etc?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

So how does that work for people carrying tools, potential trade samples etc?

Not for everyone but one company in Fulham has got all its tradesmen on bikes now

Fulham cargo bikes “ten times quicker than a van”

www.lbhf.gov.uk

Maybe need to go back to materials arrive on site and workers make their way whatever way they can like walk, bike, train etc

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Someone posted a link to a video in post #155

I made the effort to watch it (and the second part). While it is obviously not a rigorous scientific test, it's difficult to see any glaring errors that would explain away the general conclusions. What did he do to get these measurements so wrong?

Unless there's something seriously flawed with his methodology, it would appear that both general air quality and particulate pollution on busy roads both inside and outside the ULEZ zone (prior to extension) is well within recommended levels, but it is significantly worse on tube trains.

The area he tested in London was central London no? Where ulez has been in for a few years. Where black cabs are in the main electric, buses are ulez and such

So emissions have dropped no?

We all know the tubes levels are dangerous that's why we spend a lot of the night grinding the rails with a massive rail grinding train to stop the trains kicking up things when they brake etc

 

[clubchamp98]

Not for everyone but one company in Fulham has got all its tradesmen on bikes now

Fulham cargo bikes “ten times quicker than a van”

www.lbhf.gov.uk

Maybe need to go back to materials arrive on site and workers make their way whatever way they can like walk, bike, train etc

You still need a van to deliver the materials to your house.
The amount of tools most tradesmen carry is not going on a bike or bus.!
although that’s a great idea for small jobs.
Whats it like in January/ February.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Not for everyone but one company in Fulham has got all its tradesmen on bikes now

Fulham cargo bikes “ten times quicker than a van”

www.lbhf.gov.uk

Maybe need to go back to materials arrive on site and workers make their way whatever way they can like walk, bike, train etc

How do trades get their tools there? They can't leave them on site, they would all be nicked.

The area they would work in would have to be very small as well, it just isn't practical.

 

[clubchamp98]

How do trades get their tools there? They can't leave them on site, they would all be nicked.

The area they would work in would have to be very small as well, it just isn't practical.

Yes I often help my mate when he needs a pair of hands.
Hes a joiner , the amount of tools he carries is staggering.

Plus the age of some tradesmen would need taking into account.
Any hills he would be to knackered to work.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

How do trades get their tools there? They can't leave them on site, they would all be nicked.

The area they would work in would have to be very small as well, it just isn't practical.

This was a firm in Fulham that already has done so , apparently works well for them

Yes I often help my mate when he needs a pair of hands.
Hes a joiner , the amount of tools he carries is staggering.

Plus the age of some tradesmen would need taking into account.
Any hills he would be to knackered to work.

I believe these are electric bikes no?

But yes it's not the ideal solution it's an idea

There was a school of thought of a lockup delivered to site

However the simplest way is low emission vans all round

See a lot of electric vans in London now

 

[Oddsocks]

Not for everyone but one company in Fulham has got all its tradesmen on bikes now

Fulham cargo bikes “ten times quicker than a van”

www.lbhf.gov.uk

Maybe need to go back to materials arrive on site and workers make their way whatever way they can like walk, bike, train etc

You may have miss understood. I used to be a lighting engineer and as such would have multiple site visits around the capital with up to 20 samples in my book ranging from small domestic downlights, 8ft architectural fitting through to industrial flood lights. How can I be expected to carry that type of stock around London? Visits without samples were perfect by train, but in many cases they were simply no practical.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

This was a firm in Fulham that already has done so , apparently works well for them

It isn't impossible, clearly, but their area of work must be very small. That really is not practical for many.

Can't be much fun on one of those when it is chucking it down, it is the UK after all

 

[backwoodsman]

You may have miss understood. I used to be a lighting engineer and as such would have multiple site visits around the capital with up to 20 samples in my book ranging from small domestic downlights, 8ft architectural fitting through to industrial flood lights. How can I be expected to carry that type of stock around London? Visits without samples were perfect by train, but in many cases they were simply no practical.

In a ULEZ compliant vehicle perhaps ??

 

[Oddsocks]

Mine is ulez compliant , some don’t have that option.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

In a ULEZ compliant vehicle perhaps ??

That’s what myself and most contractors do, and have done since local authority parking charges started to hammer anyone with a diesel vehicle. Now though those diesel penal charges are returning even for Euro 6 diesels, just because they can and want to increase their income.
Those contractors who have a distance to travel into Town need an ICE vehicle (range of electric vans is nothing like advertised or what it should be as you never own and run a van empty) so they are swapping over to petrol vans. This may reduce parking charges, but how does using twice as much petrol over diesel help the enviroment?

 

[Oddsocks]

That’s what myself and most contractors do, and have done since local authority parking charges started to hammer anyone with a diesel vehicle. Now though those diesel penal charges are returning even for Euro 6 diesels, just because they can and want to increase their income.
Those contractors who have a distance to travel into Town need an ICE vehicle (range of electric vans is nothing like advertised or what it should be as you never own and run a van empty) so they are swapping over to petrol vans. This may reduce parking charges, but how does using twice as much petrol over diesel help the enviroment?

Especially given the fact that diesel is the left over oil from the manufacturing process of petrol.

We used to have a little electric kango van for local drops at my old firm. The user lived 50 miles away from the office and could not do the round trip twice on a full charge.

Before we accuse him of booting it, he was an old boy who was that paranoid about running out of juice that he would drive with dipped lights, no aircon/heating on and no radio and to/from work the only item other than him in his van was a travel mug of coffee.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

That’s what myself and most contractors do, and have done since local authority parking charges started to hammer anyone with a diesel vehicle. Now though those diesel penal charges are returning even for Euro 6 diesels, just because they can and want to increase their income.
Those contractors who have a distance to travel into Town need an ICE vehicle (range of electric vans is nothing like advertised or what it should be as you never own and run a van empty) so they are swapping over to petrol vans. This may reduce parking charges, but how does using twice as much petrol over diesel help the enviroment?

Genuine question as I dont know the answer

HMRC recently said ULEZ can be claimed on a tax return

can parking charges be claimed?

Especially given the fact that diesel is the left over oil from the manufacturing process of petrol.

We used to have a little electric kango van for local drops at my old firm. The user lived 50 miles away from the office and could not do the round trip twice on a full charge.

Before we accuse him of booting it, he was an old boy who was that paranoid about running out of juice that he would drive with dipped lights, no aircon/heating on and no radio and to/from work the only item other than him in his van was a travel mug of coffee.

their not for everyone but for example Tesco, DPD are just two companies off top of my head that use electric vans to do their drops , thats a hell of a lot of diesel off the roads

but I do agree that diesel is a biproduct of petrol so needs to be used. however isnt that what long distance HGV and some trains are for?