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I'm having difficulty in getting 14 for the short tees.

What are the Pars for both tees?

1) CH = 18 x (133/113) + (72.5-Par)
21.24 + ?

2) CH = 18 x (115/113) + (67.6-Par)
18.31 + ?
 

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What is the yardage difference? For a bogey golfer each 200 yards is about a shot difference. So even though it’s not a lot per hole over the course it will average out.
 

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I'm having difficulty in getting 14 for the short tees.

What are the Pars for both tees?

1) CH = 18 x (133/113) + (72.5-Par)
21.24 + ?

2) CH = 18 x (115/113) + (67.6-Par)
18.31 + ?
Yeah, it is a good question. I don't think Par has yet been revealed in this scenario.

And it is also important
 

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Par is 72 from all tees.
1) CH = 18 x (133/113) + (72.5 - 72)
(21.24 + 0.5) = 22

2) CH = 18 x (115/113) + (67.6 - 72)
(18.31 - 4.4) = 14

Thank you.
I suspect that some of the pars on individual holes on the shorter tees are not within the recommended range with over 1100 yards difference in length.
The Slope is very low.
 
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1) CH = 18 x (133/113) + (72.5 - 72)
(21.24 + 0.5) = 22

2) CH = 18 x (115/113) + (67.6 - 72)
(18.31 - 4.4) = 14

Thank you.
I suspect that some of the pars on individual holes on the shorter tees are not within the recommended range with over 1100 yards difference in length.
The Slope is very low.
Thank you for taking the time to check the calculations. Good to confirm it’s not some computer error somewhere 🙃
 

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Par is 72 from all tees.
Have you done any calculations to work out what the par is for men purely based upon length, e.g are par 5s on the card really par 4s.

FWIW, it’s 72.5/133/6719 vs 67.6/115/5570.

Model golfer or not, personally I can’t imagine giving up 8 shots for a 20% shorter course.
just from above I can see there is 5 shots difference in course rating and from Rulesfan's workings the other 3 shots are coming from the difference in slope.
 

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That's what I am wondering. 1100+ yards is a lot.
Indeed. 1100+ yards and par is the same!?????

That is a difference of almost 2 healthy par 5's in length.

No wonder there is such a big difference in handicaps, shooting a nett 72 should be massively easier off the shorter tees
 

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1) CH = 18 x (133/113) + (72.5 - 72)
(21.24 + 0.5) = 22

2) CH = 18 x (115/113) + (67.6 - 72)
(18.31 - 4.4) = 14

Thank you.
I suspect that some of the pars on individual holes on the shorter tees are not within the recommended range with over 1100 yards difference in length.
The Slope is very low.
Note a key part of the changes from April recommends standardising par for the same gender on the same course for all tees. The recommended length is only for the master set of tees, all other tees can have holes substantially longer or shorter than recommended length.
 

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Was it recommended, or just highlight as an option that might be useful in certain circumstances?

At some courses, different tees will purposely be located significant distances apart, so they can maybe turn a Par 5 into a Par 4. Or a Par 4 into a Par 3.

Standardising Par at such courses makes no sense, and to most golfers would appear absurd.
 

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Was it recommended, or just highlight as an option that might be useful in certain circumstances?

At some courses, different tees will purposely be located significant distances apart, so they can maybe turn a Par 5 into a Par 4. Or a Par 4 into a Par 3.

Standardising Par at such courses makes no sense, and to most golfers would appear absurd.
It was specifically recommended. They even reference a possible 350 yard par 5 off the forward tees as it is perhaps 485 off the ‘master tees. The idea is that the sort of player who plays off the very forward tees might actually hit some greens in regulation - CR-Par sorts out the shots received side of this.
 

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It was specifically recommended. They even reference a possible 350 yard par 5 off the forward tees as it is perhaps 485 off the ‘master tees. The idea is that the sort of player who plays off the very forward tees might actually hit some greens in regulation - CR-Par sorts out the shots received side of this.
I think that is evidence enough to me that the authorities are doing their best to confuse golfers these days :)
 

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Seems to me this change is making it less confusing than having scorecards with multiple columns for Par, but each to their own.
That was confusing!?

I certainly will have a chuckle when I play a 110 yard Par 5 :D

We are now saying par means something for the back tees, and is completely irrelevant for all other tee markers
 

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That was confusing!?

I certainly will have a chuckle when I play a 110 yard Par 5 :D

We are now saying par means something for the back tees, and is completely irrelevant for all other tee markers
What was confusing?

Using an extreme possibility does nothing for your argument.

As has been said on this and other threads multiple times Par is irrelevant full stop.
 

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What was confusing?

Using an extreme possibility does nothing for your argument.

As has been said on this and other threads multiple times Par is irrelevant full stop
What do you mean the extreme possibility does nothing for my argument!???? That is the specific "argument" I started with, so fully relevant. There are clubs that have significantly different tees so the Par plays differently.

Par is clearly not irrelevant, otherwise it wouldn't appear on the card. Par is only irrelevant (except for nett double bogey adjustments) for Handicap Index calculations. But, that isn't what we are talking about.
 

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What do you mean the extreme possibility does nothing for my argument!???? That is the specific "argument" I started with, so fully relevant. There are clubs that have significantly different tees so the Par plays differently.

Par is clearly not irrelevant, otherwise it wouldn't appear on the card. Par is only irrelevant (except for nett double bogey adjustments) for Handicap Index calculations. But, that isn't what we are talking about.
So where is the course that is a par 5 from the from the back tee's but just 110 yds from the front? Par is not relevant in any meanfull way to your score.

I just don't get why you think standaising par will confuse anyone.
 
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