Celtic FC - An absolute disgrace

[JJF69]

I am totally disgusted with Celtic FC.

They have banned the sale of poppies anywhere on there premises as they feel that this could be offensive to their large irish-based support.

An absolute disgrace, truly disgusting.

You sound like you live to be offended mate, if something like this 'totally disgusts' you, I would be interested for your views on things such as racism, sectarainism, child prostitution, child killers, failings of the UK judicial system and so on. I dont even know why this is on a Golf website and secondly I dont even know why I am posting a response to this. Sounds like sensationalism from a publication like the Sun.

 

[brendy]

Oh dear guys, did we not all learn from an early age that red tops etc are all sources of revenue for news firms that cant be arsed finding out whole truths?

Meanwhile back at base camp, Jon, Aztex,Chrisd etc all prepare to jump in both feet

 

[Hendy]

In my city few years back someone destroyed a poppy display in the town centre.. This pic does not show you to much but it was here that it was destroyed http://ww2ni.webs.com/derry%20war%20memorial%201.jpg?0.4263335148535882 of course it was said that dissident republican were not involved but who really knows...

The place i work you will not see one person wearing a poppy nor to be honest would I be to comfortable wearing one. Same goes for my town centre were the picture was taken you be very lucky to see anyone wearing one.

For me its the Irish presence in my work place and town centre that stops people wearing them..I am certain it the same reason for most..

You chat about CFC there in your post.. I remember not so long ago a guy was out town with his kids on a sat afternoon wearing a Rangers shirt, guys from the town centre kicked the life out of him because he had that shirt on.. His kids left crying at the side of the road and everyone just walked around him and not one person would stop to try and help.. They stopped when he no longer looked like he could put up a fight and the blood was running out of him.. Thats the kind of people that stop people like myself wearing a poppy in my city.

Very Very Sad Times indeed

 

[Aztecs27]

Oh dear guys, did we not all learn from an early age that red tops etc are all sources of revenue for news firms that cant be arsed finding out whole truths?

Meanwhile back at base camp, Jon, Aztex,Chrisd etc all prepare to jump in both feet

In my defence, I skim-read last night and had just finished a 14 hour day at work. Should have got all the facts. Still seems a bit ridiculous that they don't allow ANY charidee's to roam for money in club grounds.

Oh

 

[JJF69]

Official Statement from Celtic

Celtic Football Club Statement

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STORIES suggesting Celtic have banned the selling of poppies at the stadium are absolute nonsense and supporters wishing to purchase poppies can do so at our Superstore.

Celtic Football Club has a great relationship with Poppy Scotland. We have made financial donations to the charity and we have been delighted to support the charity's activities in previous years, this year and beyond.

Fraser Bedwell of Poppy Scotland commented: “Celtic Football Club have been, and continue to be great supporters of Poppyscotland and the Scottish Poppy Appeal.

“The Club will again this year participate in an SPL-wide initiative when all 12 clubs will wear a poppy on their playing shirts for the matches on remembrance weekend (13th/14th November).

In addition, Celtic have kindly offered to donate these shirts to Poppyscotland and we plan to auction them after the match to raise funds for the appeal.”

 

[medwayjon]

Official Statement from Celtic

Celtic Football Club Statement

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STORIES suggesting Celtic have banned the selling of poppies at the stadium are absolute nonsense and supporters wishing to purchase poppies can do so at our Superstore.

Celtic Football Club has a great relationship with Poppy Scotland. We have made financial donations to the charity and we have been delighted to support the charity's activities in previous years, this year and beyond.

Fraser Bedwell of Poppy Scotland commented: “Celtic Football Club have been, and continue to be great supporters of Poppyscotland and the Scottish Poppy Appeal.

“The Club will again this year participate in an SPL-wide initiative when all 12 clubs will wear a poppy on their playing shirts for the matches on remembrance weekend (13th/14th November).

In addition, Celtic have kindly offered to donate these shirts to Poppyscotland and we plan to auction them after the match to raise funds for the appeal.”

Makes me look a grade-a tosser, A charge I plead guilty too based on the evidence.

I apologise unreservedly for my knobish post based on tabloid sensationalism.

 

[Farneyman]

Official Statement from Celtic

Celtic Football Club Statement

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STORIES suggesting Celtic have banned the selling of poppies at the stadium are absolute nonsense and supporters wishing to purchase poppies can do so at our Superstore.

Celtic Football Club has a great relationship with Poppy Scotland. We have made financial donations to the charity and we have been delighted to support the charity's activities in previous years, this year and beyond.

Fraser Bedwell of Poppy Scotland commented: “Celtic Football Club have been, and continue to be great supporters of Poppyscotland and the Scottish Poppy Appeal.

“The Club will again this year participate in an SPL-wide initiative when all 12 clubs will wear a poppy on their playing shirts for the matches on remembrance weekend (13th/14th November).

In addition, Celtic have kindly offered to donate these shirts to Poppyscotland and we plan to auction them after the match to raise funds for the appeal.”

Makes me look a grade-a tosser, A charge I plead guilty too based on the evidence.

I apologise unreservedly for my knobish post based on tabloid sensationalism.

One of your better posts.....

 

[stevek1969]

Well done on realising the error of your ways Jon and coming on here to apologies.Maybe better next time to buy a decent paper or get the facts right before you come on here spouting total drivel,ya knob

 

[Pants]

Steve and Farneyman,

Even though you tried to temper you posts with "smileys" your comments have, I'm sorry to say, dragged you down in my estimation.

As soon as the "official" Celtic statement was posted on this site (why did it take a couple of days or was it damage limitation?) MWJ humbly apologised. Your snide digs did you no favours.

Just my opinion of course

 

[Dodger]

Steve and Farneyman,

Even though you tried to temper you posts with "smileys" your comments have, I'm sorry to say, dragged you down in my estimation.

As soon as the "official" Celtic statement was posted on this site (why did it take a couple of days or was it damage limitation?) MWJ humbly apologised. Your snide digs did you no favours.

Just my opinion of course

Not as far down as MWJ went in mine,pointing a finger at the innocent....now that is an 'absolute disgrace' but fair play to him for admitting his grave mistake.

Pants,smileys are on this occasion there for a reason,you appear to have missed that reason tho and may I take this opportunity to apologise on behalf of Glasgow Celtic Football Club for their delay in releasing a statement in response to Medwayjon's wild accusations.

 

[Farneyman]

Steve and Farneyman,

Even though you tried to temper you posts with "smileys" your comments have, I'm sorry to say, dragged you down in my estimation.

As soon as the "official" Celtic statement was posted on this site (why did it take a couple of days or was it damage limitation?) MWJ humbly apologised. Your snide digs did you no favours.

Just my opinion of course

Pants I suppose thats me off your christmas card list. Ah shucks.....as for snide digs......I simply stated that it was one of MWJ better posts just like yours was a pants post. When someone insinuates that Irish fans of Celtic are different than any Celtic fans from anywhere else then I will respond. As an Irishman living in Scotland I have that right to defend my nations honour.

Pants you are also a Bawbag!!!!

For the record I am not a Celtic fan and have nothing but respect for people who laid down their lives in war times.

I dont even know why I have repsonded to you Pants. As far as Im concerned this thread was by with until you stuck yir neb in. As for me now am out.

 

[kid2]

Bit of a dangerous subject to post MWJ.
But you are entitled to your opinion and i respect that....
You swallowed your pride to apologise and i admire that.....

The harsh truth of all this, Is that it goes alot deeper than some red poppies....As everyone knows....The Celtic nations and England aren't exactly singing off the same Hymm Sheet..

Of all the Celtic nations many English people may forget that alot of Scots Irish and Welshmen gave up there lives in the 1st world war for England......Even today they serve in the forces abroad...

There is always going to be resentment towards england from people but thats it.Its towards your rulers mainly but you will get pockets of gobshites that think that all things English are equal ..You wont change them
Look at times now....There are so many diverse cultures living together now that go back 90 or 100 years it would have been completely unheard of.

I was going to have a good rant for the ridiculous posts from some but i wont lower myself......Im irish and im proud to be. End of.

Times move on people...History is history..Move with them or get left behind....

 

[Simbo]

Official Statement from Celtic

Celtic Football Club Statement


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STORIES suggesting Celtic have banned the selling of poppies at the stadium are absolute nonsense and supporters wishing to purchase poppies can do so at our Superstore.

Celtic Football Club has a great relationship with Poppy Scotland. We have made financial donations to the charity and we have been delighted to support the charity's activities in previous years, this year and beyond.

Fraser Bedwell of Poppy Scotland commented: “Celtic Football Club have been, and continue to be great supporters of Poppyscotland and the Scottish Poppy Appeal.

“The Club will again this year participate in an SPL-wide initiative when all 12 clubs will wear a poppy on their playing shirts for the matches on remembrance weekend (13th/14th November).

In addition, Celtic have kindly offered to donate these shirts to Poppyscotland and we plan to auction them after the match to raise funds for the appeal.”

to which the fans responded with 7 big banners inside the stadium on Saturday, 2 years on the bounce they have shamed remembrance day yet they still claim to be "the greatest fans in the world"

 

[Farneyman]

Official Statement from Celtic

Celtic Football Club Statement


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STORIES suggesting Celtic have banned the selling of poppies at the stadium are absolute nonsense and supporters wishing to purchase poppies can do so at our Superstore.

Celtic Football Club has a great relationship with Poppy Scotland. We have made financial donations to the charity and we have been delighted to support the charity's activities in previous years, this year and beyond.

Fraser Bedwell of Poppy Scotland commented: “Celtic Football Club have been, and continue to be great supporters of Poppyscotland and the Scottish Poppy Appeal.

“The Club will again this year participate in an SPL-wide initiative when all 12 clubs will wear a poppy on their playing shirts for the matches on remembrance weekend (13th/14th November).

In addition, Celtic have kindly offered to donate these shirts to Poppyscotland and we plan to auction them after the match to raise funds for the appeal.”

to which the fans responded with 7 big banners inside the stadium on Saturday, 2 years on the bounce they have shamed remembrance day yet they still claim to be "the greatest fans in the world"

I think you will find that was only a small minority of "the fans"

 

[Farneyman]

Not any sort of excuse but a little bit of history which may highlight the reason some of these fans feel the need to protest in the way they do. This is part of the real history that happened..


The Irish Holocaust

In 1520, when Henry VIII broke with Rome, it added religion to the bias against the Catholic Irish. Under Henry’s daughter, the murderous Queen Elizabeth I (1533-1603), the killing fields of Ireland ran red with the blood of innocent victims. It is estimated 1.5 million Irish peasants were starved or “put to the sword” and much of their lands seized by English predators, while she reigned.

By the time the zealot Oliver Cromwell arrived on the scene, the Irish were ripe for more carnage . “It has pleased God to bless our endeavors,” he wrote of the mass slaughter in 1649, by his Puritan troops of 3,552 Irish inhabitants of the seaport town of Drogheda, just north of Dublin. He pompously continued, “I am persuaded that this is a righteous judgment of God upon these barbarous wretches.” This Drogheda massacre is one of the leading examples of the insidious British policy of ethnic cleansing in Ireland. Another is Cromwell’s sacking of Wexford and the killing of 2,000 of its citizens.

The infamous “Cromwellian Settlements” followed his conquest of Ireland. Millions of acres of land (41 percent of Antrim, 26 percent of Down, 34 percent of Armagh and 38 percent of Monaghan) were allocated to English Protestant settlers. The landowners of Irish birth were either killed, banished or forced out to Connaught in the west of Ireland, where it was hoped “they would starve to death.” A Cromwell biographer labeled this massive confiscation of Irish lands, “by far the most wholesale effort to impose on Ireland the Protestant faith and English ascendancy.”The British policy of colonizing Ireland with Protestants still has repercussions which are felt today on the streets of Belfast.

From 1649 to 1652, one-third of the population of Ireland was destroyed. Petty, an English historian says, “660,000 Irish people were killed.” Twenty thousand Irish boys and girls also were sold into slavery to the West Indies. The Irish peasant farmers that survived were forced to pay rent to their usurpers. Once prosperous home grown industries were also destroyed because they “competed with British factories.”

The memory of the holocausts under Elizabeth I and Cromwell have been forever seared into the psyche of the Irish race. Cromwell’s evil idea that Irish Catholics were “barbarous wretches” has, too, unfortunately, passed into the British mindset.

Parliament reacted to Cromwell’s crime against humanity in Ireland by passing an infamous Resolution that legitimized ethnic cleansing. It stated, “The House doth approve the execution done at Drogheda, as an act both of justice to them and mercy to others who may be warned by it.”

After the shaky British monarchy was restored in 1660, under Charles II, the vicious propaganda against Irish Catholics continued unabated. Many of the “vilest pamphlets” hyping the threat of a supposed “Popish Plot” against the Crown were printed in Holland.

When James II, Charles’ brother, succeeded him as King of England and Ireland in 1685, the hopes of Irish Catholics rose. His defeat, however, by the forces of William of Orange, at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690, on July 12, brought renewed disaster. More confiscations of Irish lands followed and the adoption into law of the notorious “Penal Laws” in the late 1690s. Their net effect was to hold that, “The law does not presume any such person to exist as an Irish Roman Catholic.”

As time passed, there were periodic, but failed, rebellions in Ireland. In 1845, with nationalist aspirations at their lowest ebb, the moans of the starving were heard. The potato crop was blighted and famine stalked the land.

The Irish Genocide

Author Thomas Gallagher sets the scene for this unspeakable tragedy in his moving testament to the Irish dead, Paddy’s Lament:

“A famine unprecedented in the history of the world, a chapter in human misery to harrow the human heart was about to start, and even little children could see its quick, sure approach in the nakedly fearful eyes and faces of their parents.”

By the mid-19th century, Ireland was a country of eight million, mostly peasants. As a result of years of exploitation, they survived as tenant farmers and were never far from economic disaster. They were forced to exist on a single crop: the potato. A disease turned the potato into a foul slime. When the Irish masses turned to the British government for relief, they received the back of London’s hand.

Meanwhile, “Food, from 30 to 50 shiploads per day, was removed at gunpoint (from Ireland) by 12,000 British constables, reinforced by 200,000 British soldiers, warships, excise vessels, and coast guards… Britain seized from Ireland’s producers tens of millions of head of livestock, tens of millions of tons of flour, grains, meat, poultry and dairy products-enough to sustain 18-million persons.”

Gallagher estimates 2 million died from the famine. Writer Chris Fogarty, however, places the numbers “murdered at approximately 5.16 million… making it the Irish holocaust.” Distinguished legal scholars, like Professors Charles Rice of Notre Dame U. and Francis A. Boyle, U. of Illinois, believe that under International Law, that the British pursued a barbarous policy of mass starvation in Ireland from 1845-50, and that such conduct constituted “genocide.”

 

[Simbo]

Ah, the old small minority argument..
it was only a "small minoruty" of Rangers fans that wrecked Manchester,
was only a "small minority" that sang offensive songs.
fly with the crows get shot with the crows

 

[Farneyman]

Ah, the old small minority argument..
it was only a "small minoruty" of Rangers fans that wrecked Manchester,
was only a "small minority" that sang offensive songs.
fly with the crows get shot with the crows

Oh sorry I must have missed all the Celtic fans holding the banners, silly me I thought it was just one corner. Old camera tricks and all that

 

[Tommo21]

Ah, the old small minority argument..
it was only a "small minoruty" of Rangers fans that wrecked Manchester,
was only a "small minority" that sang offensive songs.
fly with the crows get shot with the crows

Oh sorry I must have missed all the Celtic fans holding the banners, silly me I thought it was just one corner. Old camera tricks and all that

Yeh it took a good few people to do this.....

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News...215797452?f=rss

 

[Farneyman]

Ah, the old small minority argument..
it was only a "small minoruty" of Rangers fans that wrecked Manchester,
was only a "small minority" that sang offensive songs.
fly with the crows get shot with the crows

Oh sorry I must have missed all the Celtic fans holding the banners, silly me I thought it was just one corner. Old camera tricks and all that

Yeh it took a good few people to do this.....

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News...215797452?f=rss

Again thats not all the 60 odd thousand fans

As I said earlier not all Celtic fans agree with it just like not all Irish people are Celtic fans. I am just pointing out this fact. I am defending the people who are guilty by association......Im fed up with people wrongly assuming all Irish are Celtic fans and agree with what this "small" minority did on Saturday.

 

[Dodger]

Farneyman,spot on,folk seem to think that all Celtic fans are A)Irish & B)Catholics........of which I and a great deal of folk I know are neither suprise suprise.

All clubs have dickheads in their ranks....ALL,Rangers,Celtic,Hearts,Hibs,Man U,Spurs,Toon and every single team in the world but all these clubs have a huge majority of fans who want nothing more than to go and watch their team and enjoy football.