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[Pin-seeker]

Oi, look back at the posts, why shouldn't he respond to SILH post #34 who first made the comment in reverse!

Oi????

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Its a Golf Forum. not the Richard Dawkins appreciation society


Just saying that this is not the place to challenge or criticize peoples beliefs

But it's in the OOB area ? Surely as long as people aren't throwing insults and derogatory comments at each it's no different talking about politics etc in a golf forum ?

 

[Fish]

Oi????

yes Oi, your post was an attack on LP without looking back at the original post (#34) that SILH first said to "prove it"

Don't you like Oi, tough, make something of it if you want, good luck

 

[Pin-seeker]

yes Oi, your post was an attack on LP without looking back at the original post (#34) that SILH first said to "prove it"

Don't you like Oi, tough, make something of it if you want, good luck View attachment 12673

Here we go again,Fish playing the tough guy.

 

[chrisd]

So who is doing this?

The church does.

So, if you don't repent your sins and believe in God you don't go to heaven. That would frighten Christians and is, as far as I'm concerned, a blatant lie and a direct threat to toe the line

 

[JustOne]

The church does.

So, if you don't repent your sins and believe in God you don't go to heaven. That would frighten Christians and is, as far as I'm concerned, a blatant lie and a direct threat to toe the line

But you can't say whether it's true or not, that's just your own sentiment. I would think that the church has the right to tell it's followers what they can/can't do - or else they wouldn't be followers. If you're a Christian then you should follow what the Christian faith TELLS you to do, regardless whether you view it as a threat or not.

 

[JustOne]

Homosexuality isn't natural,

To take this a step away from the Catholic Church isn't it all about freedom of expression and choice?

I stand by the original statement. It's a mental state and it's a physical state, but it's not a natural state. Were it to be natural men would have ovaries where the sun doesn't shine.

In terms of freedom/choice if (for example) I choose to sleep with men isn't that the same as someone choosing to sleep with Fido?

 

[chrisd]

But you can't say whether it's true or not, that's just your own sentiment. I would think that the church has the right to tell it's followers what they can/can't do - or else they wouldn't be followers. If you're a Christian then you should follow what the Christian faith TELLS you to do, regardless whether you view it as a threat or not.

But I think over the centuries it's been used to frighten people into wars, obedience and fear. Nowadays we are more questioning of these doctrines and are able and willing to question them and that it why there is, I believe, about 50% of people who declare themselves as having no faith

 

[JustOne]

But I think over the centuries it's been used to frighten people into wars, obedience and fear.

Absolutely, it was a critical part of forming communities when rape/pillage was the norm and people had nothing to live for. Without doubt many are seeing religion as somewhat obsolete nowadays.

 

[chrisd]

Absolutely, it was a critical part of forming communities when rape/pillage was the norm and people had nothing to live for. Without doubt many are seeing religion as somewhat obsolete nowadays.

Just my point. It worries me that other religions don't become less dangerous

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Homosexuality isn't natural, .

James you might want to have a quick look here,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
seems it is quite widespread in the animal kingdom, especially in Giraffes

 

[Pin-seeker]

James you might want to have a quick look here,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
seems it is quite widespread in the animal kingdom, especially in Giraffes

Not sure how you came across this,but Touché Phil.

 

[JustOne]

James you might want to have a quick look here,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
seems it is quite widespread in the animal kingdom, especially in Giraffes

If you want to refer to homosexuals as animals then that's up to you

Self awareness is what makes us humans different to the animal kingdom, and in terms of religion we have a soul/spirit which again makes us 'more important' apparently

Many animals sleep with their siblings and parents. So I guess that must be natural for us too? (if we follow your logic)

 

[Liverbirdie]

But I think over the centuries it's been used to frighten people into wars, obedience and fear. Nowadays we are more questioning of these doctrines and are able and willing to question them and that it why there is, I believe, about 50% of people who declare themselves as having no faith

Or even a middle way, whereby Christians CHOOSE what bits of the doctrines to practice and not what to. E.G Cotraception, homosexuality etc

 

[Ethan]

Homosexuality isn't natural, a male and a female are MADE to be together that is why it's frowned upon. Seeing as it's now legal in this country we have to accept it as the norm regardless of whether it's right or wrong to do so. If they made it legal to have 'relations' with people 10yrs old would you be up in arms and disgusted? (bad example as age/consent become an issue but the reference was about the physical act but the point remains the same).

FWIW My personal stance isn't anything to do with the paragraph I wrote above as I couldn't care less what consenting adults get up to.

Is monogamy natural?

 

[Tashyboy]

Daughter was married a couple of weeks ago and I had four friends over from Italy as guests for the wedding.. They were gobsmacked that the Priest was a woman. They said that there was no way that would be allowed in Italy. For the record she was fantastic.

 

[Ethan]

Unquestioning - that you know? And there is much we don't understand about which we hypothesise and formulate (mathematical) descriptions of that create the impression of understanding - at least an understanding that is sufficient to meet our own needs.

This is 'we don't know everything, so anything's possible' fallacy.

Nonsense.

Unquestioning refers to the attitude in some religions that you must have faith or you are not properly observant. Nice trick because faith means belief without proof and it stops the followers from questioning the basis for their religion. Once some of them do the questioning, they often leave when they realise what a load of nonsense it all is.

 

[ManinBlack]

Homosexuality isn't natural

I think the test of whether something is natural, normal or right is to ask "what would happen if everyone did it" As JustOne said in the case of homosexuality the human race would die out. In the case of antisocial behaviour, society would disintegrate

So you can prove to me that there is no God?

This is as impossible as questions I ask myself. "If God made everything, who made him?" When time started, what happened just before that? When you get to the end of the Universe, what's beyond that? Answers on a postcard.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Not sure how you came across this,but Touché Phil.

If you want to refer to homosexuals as animals then that's up to you

Self awareness is what makes us humans different to the animal kingdom, and in terms of religion we have a soul/spirit which again makes us 'more important' apparently

Many animals sleep with their siblings and parents. So I guess that must be natural for us too? (if we follow your logic)

Google is your friend.

James, you said it wasn't natural, the article and other research proves that it is quite common.
And I would guess that it feels totally natural to those members of the human race who are so inclined, including certain members of this forum, whom I am very keen not to alienate.

 

[chrisd]

This is as impossible as questions I ask myself. "If God made everything, who made him?" When time started, what happened just before that? When you get to the end of the Universe, what's beyond that? Answers on a postcard.

It's impossible IMO to believe that God made everything and also accept the scientific Big Bang theory and I believe there is evidence of one and not the other!