Catholic Church more scandle

[Bomber69]

The Catholic Church has once again hit the headlines with even more allegations of Child Abuse and cover ups.

How can the Catholic people still have Faith in their Church after all the Child Abuse claims that continue to emerge, the very people who they have been brought up to respect are the ones who are letting them down as they abuse young innocent children and the Catholic Church continue to cover up these allegations and the abusers continue to be protected within the church.
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Sins of Our Fathers was screened last night and has evidence of even more abuse within the Church that had been reported at the time but once again thee abuser was not punished but moved on within the organization.
How must the victims feel after being abused and still yet the so called servants of God are being protected by thier very own church.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-Scotland-23477335

 

[patricks148]

The Catholic Church has once again hit the headlines with even more allegations of Child Abuse and cover ups.

How can the Catholic people still have Faith in their Church after all the Child Abuse claims that continue to emerge, the very people who they have been brought up to respect are the ones who are letting them down as they abuse young innocent children and the Catholic Church continue to cover up these allegations and the abusers continue to be protected within the church.
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Sins of Our Fathers was screened last night and has evidence of even more abuse within the Church that had been reported at the time but once again thee abuser was not punished but moved on within the organization.
How must the victims feel after being abused and still yet the so called servants of God are being protected by thier very own church.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-Scotland-23477335

I can't open that link Sam, but was that the program about Fort Augustus Abbey that was on last night?

 

[Bomber69]

I can't open that link Sam, but was that the program about Fort Augustus Abbey that was on last night?

Yep that's the one Patrick, I must have made a mistake with the link but am a golfer not a keyboard warrior.

Still its shocking what has gone on in the past and who knows it might still be rife .

 

[patricks148]

Yep that's the one Patrick, I must have made a mistake with the link but am a golfer not a keyboard warrior.

Still its shocking what has gone on in the past and who knows it might still be rife .

The current Mrs 148 said something about that last night, but i got sidetracked. I had a couple of mates from Uni that went to a Catholic public school and were taught by Monks and they told a few dodgy stories.... some of them had filthy habbits

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Why does the Protestant Church not seem to have such problems - ah! that'll be because it's Protestant.

 

[Hobbit]

The current Mrs 148 said something about that last night, but i got sidetracked. I had a couple of mates from Uni that went to a Catholic public school and were taught by Monks and they told a few dodgy stories.... some of them had filthy habbits

Mmm... there's one or two stories I could tell from my school days in Ireland that would make your skin crawl. 40yrs later and I'm still not comfortable with what I heard one of the priests saying.

 

[Foxholer]

Why does the Protestant Church not seem to have such problems - ah! that'll be because it's Protestant.

Doesn't seem to be any different to me!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23221461

 

[bladeplayer]

Where there is power there will be abuse , doesnt matter what label that power comes under , police , church , army , teachers etc, the abuse & the cover ups are the fault of the people above not the whole system or job ..

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Doesn't seem to be any different to me!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23221461

Link to Church of England? - Anglican is not exactly a (very) protestant church. But yes - the Anglican church does seem to have similar problems to the RC church - but the protestant churches seem less effected. Maybe just because there are fewer of them but maybe becuase there is minimal if any hierarchy in the Protestant churches and hence fewer having 'power'. And the minsiter doesn't really have much power at all.

 

[Bomber69]

Link to Church of England? - Anglican is not exactly a (very) protestant church. But yes - the Anglican church does seem to have similar problems to the RC church - but the protestant churches seem less effected. Maybe just because there are fewer of them but maybe becuase there is minimal if any hierarchy in the Protestant churches and hence fewer having 'power'. And the minsiter doesn't really have much power at all.

Or maybe it is less rife in the Church of England, I really feel for the victims and think it is time the Catholic Church done something about these dirty scum ridden Priests who have abused innocent boys.

 

[palindromicbob]

The problem is not religion, it is human. Predators will find a way to access the vulnerable regardless. Catholicism just happens to have many avenues that allow such access and the self protective attitude just helped cover it up.

It is also a religion that claims to represent 1.2 billion people. With over 1/7th over the world population under this umbrella then you certainly would expect to see a larger number of cases than say Methodist.

Abuse happens in all sections of society regardless of religion, finances, colour or creed.

 

[Fader]

The problem is not religion, it is human. Predators will find a way to access the vulnerable regardless. Catholicism just happens to have many avenues that allow such access and the self protective attitude just helped cover it up.

It is also a religion that claims to represent 1.2 billion people. With over 1/7th over the world population under this umbrella then you certainly would expect to see a larger number of cases than say Methodist.

Abuse happens in all sections of society regardless of religion, finances, colour or creed.

These are the key points for me. Yes this abuse has happened/is happening but the issue isn't the religion its the people doing it. For those that don't like religion its easy to jump on a band wagon and blame Catholicism or the Anglican church or whatever reason for it. But fact remains whatever position of power these people are in it affords them greater chances to fulfil their perverse pleasures at the cost to so many young innocents.

Its coming to light its been rife throughout the celebrity sector, I don't think there's a single person I grew up watching on TV that either hasn't been investigated or convicted of something since the Saville Scandal. Religion still does great things for many people and doesn't mean those with faith will lose faith because of these people as its the religion they believe in not necessarily the individual preaching it.

 

[fallschirmjager]

Where there is power there will be abuse , doesnt matter what label that power comes under , police , church , army , teachers etc, the abuse & the cover ups are the fault of the people above not the whole system or job ..

Haven't seen much systematic abuse of children in the army and police force to be honest. The Catholic church is most probably the biggest paedophile ring in the world.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

A religion that promotes non married men to lead it is always going to struggle with it's morals.

 

[bladeplayer]

Haven't seen much systematic abuse of children in the army and police force to be honest. The Catholic church is most probably the biggest paedophile ring in the world.

The catholic church ? so according to you then i am a paedophile ? or are you under the illusion the catholic church is just clergy ?
if that is what you think then you are very much mistaken .. & i am highly insulted & saddened by your ignorance ..

I agree totaly that there has been abuse & the people who covered it up are as much to blame as the people who committed the act ..


I think this has been covered over & over & the regulars on here will know my stance on it so no point going over & over it ,

im a catholic , im part of the catholic church and im proud of it , im saddened by what people did and hid behind the cloth to protect themselves, im saddened that the people in charge werent strong enough to fix it ..but for every bad one there are thousands of good ones so dont tar all with the one brush ..

A religion that promotes non married men to lead it is always going to struggle with it's morals.

Im sure there are lots of non married men would have strong feelings on that one Doon ....

Anyhows best i opt out now ..

 

[smange]

Haven't seen much systematic abuse of children in the army and police force to be honest. The Catholic church is most probably the biggest paedophile ring in the world.

What a ridiculously stupid comment

How many children are in the army or police forces?

And I think you will find more than enough cases of abuse in the armed forces and a wider range of abuse, from sexual to racial and many other forms, or are you not classing it as abuse because its on young men and women? Let me guess, you class it as "character building"?

What has gone on in the Catholic Church over the years is absolutely despicable and charges should be brought against the perpetrators but too many people using this thread as a vehicle for their obvious bigotry.

 

[Bomber69]

Maybe now the abuse will be uncovered and the guilty brought to justice including the people who covered it up.

Police have confirmed they are investigating allegations of abuse by monks at a former Scottish Catholic boarding school.

It follows a BBC Scotland investigation which uncovered evidence of 30 years of physical and sexual abuse at Fort Augustus Abbey in the Highlands and its East Lothian prep school.

The Benedictine order which ran the schools has apologised to any victims.

Fresh claims of abuse have now emerged since the programme aired on Monday.

The documentary has also prompted calls for more support for victims.

In a statement Police Scotland, said it would make no further comment at this stage as it was now a "live investigation".

It added that all such allegations are investigated and dealt with in a "victim-centred" manner.

 

[FairwayDodger]

What has gone on in the Catholic Church over the years is absolutely despicable and charges should be brought against the perpetrators but too many people using this thread as a vehicle for their obvious bigotry.

I attended a Catholic mass yesterday. Due to the nature of the service there was a diverse bunch of people there, belonging to several different religions.

The priest came up with an analogy, which I thought was very good. He said, "We're all going to the same destination, just on different buses."

OK, as an atheist, I'm not on any bus but I still thought it was a nice way of expressing it.

 

[My_HarrisTweed_Cap]

The problem is not religion, it is human. Predators will find a way to access the vulnerable regardless. Catholicism just happens to have many avenues that allow such access and the self protective attitude just helped cover it up.

It is also a religion that claims to represent 1.2 billion people. With over 1/7th over the world population under this umbrella then you certainly would expect to see a larger number of cases than say Methodist.

Abuse happens in all sections of society regardless of religion, finances, colour or creed.

Almost sounds as though you condone the predator instincts of some priests and the subsequent cover up and denial of the Catholic Church. I find it incomprehensible the betray of trust and the exploitation of innocence that allows (yes it still happens even although the Catholic Church still tries to hush it up) preists to pray on children.

The subsequent lengths that the Catholic Church has gone to in order to cover it up and thereafter deny it is chilling and disgusting.

 

[Fish]

I don't think any institution should be self-policing itself which for me, the Catholic church thinks or believes it can do by protecting and moving these abusers around and not, as they should, make them available fully for prosecution by the law along with all those that knew it was going on, as they are guilty also.

It almost always comes across as a softly-softly approach has to be taken because its the catholic church, where-as it should be no different to any institution as we are accusing the person not the religion, as such, where's there's an allegation, an investigation follows, an arrest is made and then a conviction, simples.