Catholic Church more scandle

Lets flip the coin then. Would it be so easy to ridicule and dismiss if I were to question Moses and the parting of the Red sea to safeguard the escape of the Israelites as coming from someone who writes such nonsense?
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Foxholer said:
Er. Apparently, not just the Catholic Church! But all of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc. In fact, every religion that has the concept of a Deity.
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I'm with Foxholer on this...

Harris Tweed does this mean then for arguments sake the world is an accurate 50/50 split on those with and without faith (though i'd say the stats favour more towards those with a faith). That on these figures as an example half the world needs to be treated with caution as they believe in something they can't see but have faith in its deity. Hmmm... Really...

Quick get the men in white coats and cart me off for having a religious belief... If i'm not back soon i'll be locked away with the rest for having the audacity to believe...
 
My_HarrisTweed_Cap said:
How many have the concept of abusing children and then doing all they can to cover it up and protect the perpetrators?
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No-one has said thats right though have they! Common misconception that all catholics, or religious fold are guilty because individuals commit the crimes and others cover it up for them! You will find all are against both these actions and should be brought to justice but you can't say all those with the faith are guilty by association. Ok you didn't use those words but to say in around about way point the finger saying its those with religious belfied in general being of that persuasion is poor.

Whats your favourite phrase on here "the mind is a wonderful thing" it can also be a very poor weapon to use without full facts or openess to accept others beliefs or opinions.
 
Point out anywhere in this thread where I have stated that the world is split 50/50 in term of believers and non believers?

We are talking about wide spread, widely reported abuse within the Catholic Church, no other religion. That is what this thread is about.

Point out anywhere in my posts where I have said anything that has tarred all in this faith? Point out where I have belittled any religion including the Catholic Faith?

I have like others pointed out the abuse suffered at the hands of Catholic Priests, I would be equally vocal on child abuse within any other organisation should it be a topic in the news as its disgusting and sick.
 
Fader.

I think your question should be directed at DDDave, not HT!

My_HarrisTweed_Cap said:
How many have the concept of abusing children and then doing all they can to cover it up and protect the perpetrators?
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I'm afraid, I would think quite a few!

All those where there is an implicit trust of those in authority.
 
My_HarrisTweed_Cap said:
Point out anywhere in this thread where I have stated that the world is split 50/50 in term of believers and non believers?

We are talking about wide spread, widely reported abuse within the Catholic Church, no other religion. That is what this thread is about.

Point out anywhere in my posts where I have said anything that has tarred all in this faith? Point out where I have belittled any religion including the Catholic Faith?

I have like others pointed out the abuse suffered at the hands of Catholic Priests, I would be equally vocal on child abuse within any other organisation should it be a topic in the news as its disgusting and sick.
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My bad clicked the wrong comment to reply with quote to!... Accept my humble apologies. :thup:


Still stands to DDDave though
 
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My_HarrisTweed_Cap said:
We are talking about wide spread, widely reported abuse within the Catholic Church, no other religion. That is what this thread is about.

Point out anywhere in my posts where I have said anything that has tarred all in this faith? Point out where I have belittled any religion including the Catholic Faith?

I have like others pointed out the abuse suffered at the hands of Catholic Priests, I would be equally vocal on child abuse within any other organisation should it be a topic in the news as its disgusting and sick.
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Well, it certainly happens in other areas of Christianity (CofE for example) and other Religions!

Are you not also concerned about these? Or is the Catholic Church just a target - for this particular issue and in general?
 
Foxholer said:
Well, it certainly happens in other areas of Christianity (CofE for example) and other Religions!

Are you not also concerned about these? Or is the Catholic Church just a target - for this particular issue and in general?
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Sorry Mr Hole I don't understand what your getting at here? Are you being underhand and calling me a bigot?

Excuse me for being new to the forum and the way it works however my understanding from the title is that this thread was about more scandal (thought I'd spell it correctly) within the Catholic Church. Therefore I have kept on topic. If your insisting there is more to my posts be very careful what you type on an internet forum.
 
My_HarrisTweed_Cap said:
Sorry Mr Hole I don't understand what your getting at here? Are you being underhand and calling me a bigot?

Excuse me for being new to the forum and the way it works however my understanding from the title is that this thread was about more scandal (thought I'd spell it correctly) within the Catholic Church. Therefore I have kept on topic. If your insisting there is more to my posts be very careful what you type on an internet forum.
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For someone "being new", you have thrown your fair share of insults out belittling genuine peoples questions and then in other topics referring back to them as idiots so less of the threats matey..
 
It's strange how this thread is going of topic, the initial thread was posted regarding how much more information and allegations have come to light against the Catholic Church, mostly from Catholic people who were abused years ago in their childhood. Now I am sure that nobody would have wished that upon themselves or indeed off their children especially in a Church or any house of God. My point is really to find out how and if the Catholic Church can be trusted and should they now hand over all the hidden documents/allegations that have went on in the past/present. I see this as a chance for the Church and it's leaders to come clean and bring these monsters to justice along with the leaders who covered up the allegations.

Do people think the Catholic Church are above the law and is it okay to let what has happened in the past go unpunished ??????
 
My_HarrisTweed_Cap said:
Sorry Mr Hole ....

... be very careful what you type on an internet forum.
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Indeed!

While the thread title might be restrictive, possibly deliberately so, it's important to note that such activity is not restricted to the Catholic Church. Doesn't seem to me to actually be going off-topic.

No accusation of bigotry from me btw. No point! Unlike 'opinions' that may be altered by information and debate, bigotry - and faith - is unshakeable!

Are you and Bomber a team? Seem to be a few 'paired' posts - on other topics too
 
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Only threads I see are here in this and the thread about Rangers where there is a cross over of interests.

I see your also active in both Mr Hole are you and Bomber also a team?
 
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Can we please remain strictly on topic and also refrain from insulting other members

Everyone is entitled to their views but please keep it civil

this thread is being watched by the Moderator team closely and will be pulled if it gets out of hand

Thank you
 
Bomber69 said:
It's strange how this thread is going of topic, the initial thread was posted regarding how much more information and allegations have come to light against the Catholic Church, mostly from Catholic people who were abused years ago in their childhood. Now I am sure that nobody would have wished that upon themselves or indeed off their children especially in a Church or any house of God. My point is really to find out how and if the Catholic Church can be trusted and should they now hand over all the hidden documents/allegations that have went on in the past/present. I see this as a chance for the Church and it's leaders to come clean and bring these monsters to justice along with the leaders who covered up the allegations.

Do people think the Catholic Church are above the law and is it okay to let what has happened in the past go unpunished ??????
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Maybe with the Catholic Church and abuse (and iondeed for all criminal acts) there is an inherant difficulty. Christians of any denomionation believe in forgiveness and redemption - the justice system and media tend in general not to appear to share a similar stance. Is it surprising therefore that, wherever possible, a church might try to give the benefit of the doubt, believe in reassurances given of no repetition of possibly inappropriate behaviour etc. rather than hand someone over to the authorities - knowing that regardless of the clarity, certainty or seriousness around any accusation of abuse - the accused will be damned and possibly detroyed.

I'm not saying that this thinking is correct and valid - but surely it is propably inevitable and quite understandable, and not necessarily completely a cover up for simple church self-interest, but expressing a concern for the individual accused.
 
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murphthemog said:
Surely that would be ok for selling off church candlesticks, but child abuse is a bit more serious?
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Murp, your spot on.

I could not believe what I was reading in Hogans post it was mind blowing and came across that what has happened should be left alone and let the Church deal with it as the offenders will be bannished. What about the innocent children should they not see these people brought to justice within the law.

What about O'Brien has he been bannished, not as far as I know he is retired and living in a cottage which will be provided & paid for by the Church and you can bet he is still get paid from the Church.
 
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