Mandofred
Well-known member
Guess I'd have to vote for getting new easier to read/use scorecards.....
Can you spot a mistake or is it me??????
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davidy233
Tour Rookie
No that was a long time ago - just no point in it - in a comp the computer works out your points and in a social round who caresBut you said you were baffled why they write the points down - so you've only thought of this in terms of how it affects you?
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
White, yellow and red all have Course and Slope rating for men. Red only has rating for women.
By the way the card has been set up, I would say that the SI on extreme right applies to Yellow and Red tees for men as well as Red for women.
If a man should use the SI on the left when playing from the yellows, then he would have to do so when playing from the reds as well, which seems wrong to me.
Yellow and red tees for men should use the SI on the right, unless the club has made a clear statement to the contrary.
I note that there is no separate par column for women. Course Rating for women is 3 under par.
For men playing from the reds, course rating is 6.8 under par!
If Robin has a Course Handicap of 14 (in order to have 13 strokes received for stableford) his gross 82 is playing pretty much to his handicap from the yellows.
By the way the card has been set up, I would say that the SI on extreme right applies to Yellow and Red tees for men as well as Red for women.
If a man should use the SI on the left when playing from the yellows, then he would have to do so when playing from the reds as well, which seems wrong to me.
Yellow and red tees for men should use the SI on the right, unless the club has made a clear statement to the contrary.
I note that there is no separate par column for women. Course Rating for women is 3 under par.
For men playing from the reds, course rating is 6.8 under par!
If Robin has a Course Handicap of 14 (in order to have 13 strokes received for stableford) his gross 82 is playing pretty much to his handicap from the yellows.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Does it do that half way round for you then? Or with two holes to go?No that was a long time ago - just no point in it - in a comp the computer works out your points and in a social round who cares
Swinglowandslow
Well-known member
It says strokess received = 13, so ninth hole should be three points.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
He has used the SI on the right and crossed out the SI on the left.
davidy233
Tour Rookie
As I said it will probably be marked wrongly anyway
full_throttle
Tour Winner
Let's review the evidence...
The card is marked Sunday Roll-up. so the players are given a playing handicap, in this case 13, no 95% adjustment, so 13 strokes received.
How do I know all of this useless information.
The FISH has now joined the golf club I use
Hope this helps
The card is marked Sunday Roll-up. so the players are given a playing handicap, in this case 13, no 95% adjustment, so 13 strokes received.
How do I know all of this useless information.
The FISH has now joined the golf club I use
Hope this helps
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
You can not score stableford points, when playing with and against others, against anything other than the correct playing handicap for individual strokeplay which is 95% of course handicap.
Not applying the 95% is cheating if it disadvantages some (lower handicaps) and advantages others by allowing them to play off a falsely higher playing handicap for individual strokeplay.
Not applying the 95% is cheating if it disadvantages some (lower handicaps) and advantages others by allowing them to play off a falsely higher playing handicap for individual strokeplay.
full_throttle
Tour Winner
where's the popcorn?
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
do you have to play off your official handicap in a roll up or can you be allocated a different one?
Tashyboy
Please don’t ask to see my tatts 👍
our club put on its opening page a photo of how to fill in a card. I had a look and I thought it was wrong. I contacted the club and pointed it out. Technically I was right but wrong. The card was marked at 95% for the comp so the players card had one shot less. But it had not been mentioned. Anyway I was talking to the comp Secretary and he said that the first comp after lockdown when cards had to be handed in.75% of the cards were filled in wrong. If they had DQd everyone they thought they would of had a riot. So they put the photo on the opening page. They put it down to people filling in cards for 2 people, filling in the IG app and new members not knowing how to fill in cards correctly.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
rather than rightly realising that they havent correctly advised everyone what they require since the rules changed
Canfordhacker
Q-School Graduate
Come on Smiffy, put us out of our misery.
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Sorry, thought I'd mentioned it above.....
It's all about the stroke indices shown on the card.
Very confusing, and I did say "spot the mistake, or is it me"
Rightly, (or wrongly), I assumed that the stroke indices shown on the right of the card related to the ladies tees.
I would have personally marked the card going off the indices shown on the left.
Foxholer
Blackballed
To me, there's simply a question to be answered - and anything posted is merely specultion until that happens.
The question is 'Which set of Stroke Indices should be used when playing off the Yellow Tees?'
Once that question is answered, then it willl be obvious whether the card has been filled out correct (wrt points) or not.
FWIW, it matters not a jot whether it has or not, as 'the system' will adjust anyway...it's only the gross scores that need to be accurate (well, not less than actual).
But the way the card is laid out certainly allows confusion...I can't remember ever seeing one where Men's SIs differ between Tee sets, let alone match Ladies ones, but that's what that card layout implies!
The question is 'Which set of Stroke Indices should be used when playing off the Yellow Tees?'
Once that question is answered, then it willl be obvious whether the card has been filled out correct (wrt points) or not.
FWIW, it matters not a jot whether it has or not, as 'the system' will adjust anyway...it's only the gross scores that need to be accurate (well, not less than actual).
But the way the card is laid out certainly allows confusion...I can't remember ever seeing one where Men's SIs differ between Tee sets, let alone match Ladies ones, but that's what that card layout implies!
bobmac
Major Champion
Which course is it Smiffy?
As far as I remember, the S.I. is normally the same for the white and yellow tees, it's just the red tees that are different.
I could be wrong
As far as I remember, the S.I. is normally the same for the white and yellow tees, it's just the red tees that are different.
I could be wrong
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Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Don't know mate. It's a scorecard that the Fish posted up on Facebook after his Sunday round. I looked at it and the SI's confused me.
The only time I know the SI's are different between white and yellow tees is where on some courses, a par 4 off the yellows becomes a par 5 off the whites, and the SI might be different.
Tashyboy
Please don’t ask to see my tatts 👍
I think hat was the frustrating thing for the club/comp Secretary. They had advised everyone Via an email. They had been proactive and ended up being reactive.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Someone else mentioned it before but I think the position of the columns is everything. If I look at my club's card, which I think is fairly standard, it goes: white yards - par - yellow yards - S.I. - all your score boxes - red yards - red par - red S.I.Sorry, thought I'd mentioned it above.....
It's all about the stroke indices shown on the card.
Very confusing, and I did say "spot the mistake, or is it me"
Rightly, (or wrongly), I assumed that the stroke indices shown on the right of the card related to the ladies tees.
I would have personally marked the card going off the indices shown on the left.
Whereas on the card you posted the yellow yards is over on the right hand side next to the red yards, which is what says to me the marker was probably correct in using the right hand S.I.
I guess this isn't very common but it makes sense here, just look at the difference on some of the holes. 9th for example is 175 off whites (S.I.13) but only 139 off yellows which you would expect makes it a lot easier (hence S.I.17). The 8th has 50 yards difference as well.
