Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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An answer to why the Irish government are playing such hardball may have just come from Kate Hoey on Sky News. In response to a question from Adam Boulton suggesting some people saw Brexit as an opportunity to unravel the power sharing of the Belfast Agreement, she said:
“I would say the truth is that the Irish govt see the UK leaving the EU as something that they can try and help create perhaps more of a move to one Ireland. That’s why they want the backstop. And you know, NI is part of the UK. It was very clear that people in NI had the right to stay British or Irish until they voted otherwise and until that happens the British govt (and) Theresa May’s job is to stick up for the people of NI.”
 
Or Wales, or the lib dems, or the DUP, monster raving lunies, etc.

Why always Scotland?

Not always Scotland, the response was about Brexit apparently not being linked to colour of rosette, it is strongly linked to yellow or gold for people voting SNP or Lib Dem for example.
 
Suprised no one had mentioned Mr Tusks comments “ of a special place in hell for those that pushed for Brexit without having any plans”.
Gonna jeep my comments on him
To myself but one word springs to mind.
 
Suprised no one had mentioned Mr Tusks comments “ of a special place in hell for those that pushed for Brexit without having any plans”.
Gonna jeep my comments on him
To myself but one word springs to mind.
Confused by this TBH.. I have nothing but contempt for those in positions of power who agitated about leaving the EU for many years but who had made absolutely no plans for how it was going to work.. In all honesty, it's as though they thought it was never going to happen, but that they were part of a special Club that were given a louder voice than they otherwise would have had..

They're one of the myriad of reasons that we're in the mess we're currently in...
 
:rolleyes:
Suprised no one had mentioned Mr Tusks comments “ of a special place in hell for those that pushed for Brexit without having any plans”.
Gonna jeep my comments on him
To myself but one word springs to mind.


Fair comment, pretty stupid choice of words from a man in his position, doesn't help.
Expect more stupid comments all round as this process ratchets up.
 
So Donald Tusk expressed his hopes the Brexit supporters find a place in "hell"

How wonderfully constructive. Is he so intent on hitting the headlines that he is willing to threaten important agreements?

I do wonder if these people ever engage their brains.

That's not what he said..
He wondered "what the special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it out safely"

So, not Brexit supporters.. just those in power who pushed for it without any idea of how to actually do it..

It doesn't help if you don't put the comment in its proper context, does it?
 
Not always Scotland, the response was about Brexit apparently not being linked to colour of rosette, it is strongly linked to yellow or gold for people voting SNP or Lib Dem for example.

It’s a cross party subject.

More Scottish people voted to leave the EU than voted for the SNP in the 2017 GE. 1018222 V 977569... (that’s right btw, more than a Million Scots voted to leave.)

Last election more Scottish people voted for Conservatives & Labour who both had agreed to leave the EU than voted for SNP & Lib Dem’s who said they would remain. 1474956 V 1156636

Stop feeling so hard done by, and stop looking for anti-Scottish sentiment when there isn’t any.
It’s an unpleasant trait of the Scots Nats.
 
So the Brexit boys who have been insulting European politicians for years suddenly don't like it when they get a bit back...
 
That's not what he said..
He wondered "what the special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it out safely"

So, not Brexit supporters.. just those in power who pushed for it without any idea of how to actually do it..

It doesn't help if you don't put the comment in its proper context, does it?

But it seems to me he has already decided they are going to hell , no mention of " is there" or " may be" just "what the special place in hell" not very constructive is it ?
 
But it seems to me he has already decided they are going to hell , no mention of " is there" or " may be" just "what the special place in hell" not very constructive is it ?

I think we're clutching at straws when we're analysing the comment in that sort of detail.. FWIW, I agree with him on this comment. I think that these people who have been hugely vocal about leaving the EU, then have just stood on the sidelines firing petty comments at May and the EU should be ashamed of themselves.. I don't like May, but at least she appears to be attempting to do something. I have zero respect for the likes of Johnson et al, who have offered nothing but bland diatribes about how we'll survive because of the jolly old WW2 spirit..

And if you want to talk about constructive then where were you when MP's were making ugly, petty comments about the Germans, about specific EU politicians, about leading voices in the Remain camp? Or is it just those pesky foreigners who aren't allowed to comment?
 
It’s a cross party subject.

More Scottish people voted to leave the EU than voted for the SNP in the 2017 GE. 1018222 V 977569... (that’s right btw, more than a Million Scots voted to leave.)

Last election more Scottish people voted for Conservatives & Labour who both had agreed to leave the EU than voted for SNP & Lib Dem’s who said they would remain. 1474956 V 1156636

Stop feeling so hard done by, and stop looking for anti-Scottish sentiment when there isn’t any.
It’s an unpleasant trait of the Scots Nats.

Not quite as simple as that I am afraid.
Polls have shown that there is a great big mucking fuddle when you start to break down yes/no, remain/leave conundrums.

Support for Independence from Labour and Tory individuals is not uncommon.
Not all independence supporters were in favour of staying the EU
 
I think we're clutching at straws when we're analysing the comment in that sort of detail.. FWIW, I agree with him on this comment. I think that these people who have been hugely vocal about leaving the EU, then have just stood on the sidelines firing petty comments at May and the EU should be ashamed of themselves.. I don't like May, but at least she appears to be attempting to do something. I have zero respect for the likes of Johnson et al, who have offered nothing but bland diatribes about how we'll survive because of the jolly old WW2 spirit..

And if you want to talk about constructive then where were you when MP's were making ugly, petty comments about the Germans, about specific EU politicians, about leading voices in the Remain camp? Or is it just those pesky foreigners who aren't allowed to comment?

I dont have to be constructive i am only one voice not a politician or figurehead, whose opinion will not change the current climate , i just find it comical that i seem to have struck a nerve with you , i did not specifically aim at you so why point at me for my comment ?
I am not part of the hierarchy of an organisation that has been challenged and whose comments make international press ,so my view is just that , mine . You can like it or lump it for me, i just wish we could get this over and done with
 
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