bluewolf
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Careful, you're straying into Liam Fox territory there mate..
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Careful, you're straying into Liam Fox territory there mate..
Foxholer
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Extracted from the EU's announcement about the FTA....
'In 2013 EU governments instructed the European Commission to start negotiations with Japan.
On 8 December 2017, the negotiations were finalised. The European Parliament gave its consent in December 2018, clearing the way for the trade agreement's conclusion and entry into force.
As of 1 February, a large part of another agreement – the Strategic Partnership Agreement between the European Union and Japan – also applies on a provisional basis..'
Seems it's the negotiation part that takes the time - at least, in this case!
Mudball
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While we worry about running out of Avacados or only having 6 different types of tomato’s to choose from on our empty supermarket shelf in case of no deal Brexit.
Have a look at this interesting report on impact on developing country because of Brexhit . Of course thing to remember it is a simulation, and every simulation (I have done few) will look at extremes. I am sure Believers will say that it has been sponsored by Germans and part of Project Fear.
But go ahead and have a read
https://apple.news/AOC3hRak-QMOGNS1MPMWVqg
Have a look at this interesting report on impact on developing country because of Brexhit . Of course thing to remember it is a simulation, and every simulation (I have done few) will look at extremes. I am sure Believers will say that it has been sponsored by Germans and part of Project Fear.
But go ahead and have a read
https://apple.news/AOC3hRak-QMOGNS1MPMWVqg
SocketRocket
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I find that article weighted towards the worst case scenario. The UK would be free to set it's own tariffs and quotas so why would we penalise developing countries. The EU have been responsible for many problems in these countries due to their protectionist market, the UK as a member state have needed to apply whatever tariffs the EU set.
I've not looked at the 585 pages for weeks but in terms of tariffs for agricultural products the agreement stated that an independent body(hahahaha) would be set up to monitor agricultural policies and tariffs in the UK at the UK's expense. All policies and tariffs had to be agreed with the EU, and no tariff could be lower than that offered to the EU. Any policies, tariffs or practices applied without agreement with the EU could lead to fines. It read like both hands would be tied behind the UK's back.
Everyone appears to be fixating on the backstop but few seem to be looking at the deal as a whole. Some very fair, good stuff in it but there's some appalling clauses.
As Gina Miller said on QT last week, the UK is leaving the EU but its with an appalling deal.
SocketRocket
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Do those restrictions only apply in a transition period or permanently?
I couldn't find anything that said they only applied during the transitionary period but I must have missed something. Surely no one would sign a deal on those terms.
Foxholer
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Nor could I, though it's possibly (hopefully!/surely!) in there somewhere.
It's one of the primary reasons I believe (unless proven otherwise) that it's an awful deal - and 'No Deal' would be much better for UK (eventually). The only argument I can imagine the 'UK tariffs never less than EU ones' is to cover possible (fraudulent?) re-export trade - where EU tariffs are bypassed by importing at low/zero rate via UK! But that could surely be covered by specific other clauses.
Btw. EU seems very likely to impose tariffs on Rice coming from a couple of Asian countries as the 40-fold increase (from 9k tonnes to 360k tonnes) has been detrimental to Italy - an example of the (maybe not unreasonable in this case) protectionism of the bloc.
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Sweep
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Interesting.
Corbyn speaking at an anti Lisbon Treaty meeting in 2009 in Ireland.
As an aside, I think it’s the first time I have ever seen him smile.
Corbyn speaking at an anti Lisbon Treaty meeting in 2009 in Ireland.
As an aside, I think it’s the first time I have ever seen him smile.
Taz
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Maybe DA was in the audience and did a 'Sharon Stone' 
Foxholer
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Fade and Die
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I cannot understand why anyone would think the EU and Left are bedfellows, The EU has always been a creature of big business and the banks. It is not, and never has been, a ‘leftist’ or ‘liberal’ organisation. I recall the 1983 general election when the Labour party went to the country with the express policy of withdrawal from the European Economic Community whilst the Conservative government of Margaret Thatcher supported continued membership!
A contributor to another website I read shared a link to a BBC ‘On This Day’ page entitled 1975: Labour votes to leave the EEC. The Labour government of Harold Wilson was so hopelessly split over membership of the EEC that the prime minister was forced to allow cabinet ministers to campaign on both sides of the issue in the 1975 referendum – just as David Cameron was forced to do in 2016. The Labour left was bitterly opposed to the EEC. The Industry Secretary Tony Benn was delighted when the unions and a special conference on EEC membership voted to leave, whilst his fellow left-winger, Employment Secretary Michael Foot, blamed high unemployment on what he said was the damage to Britain’s domestic market from European imports.
Foxholer
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To me, this simply demonstrates how the EU (or the EEC as it was then) is/was NOT an issue divided on 'party' lines! It's an issue that SPANS both main parties - which is why May has difficulty actually getting anything through Parliament!
And why I believe this will go to the brink - or beyond - before either the EU blinks, perhaps extending the negotiation period, or UK simply leaves with 'No Deal'!
To me, the problem of the Irish border/backstop is a complication, but solve-able and not something that should stop the Leave process.
Mudball
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Another funny one..
Fade and Die
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I agree 100%, anyone that thinks Brexit has anything to do with the colour of the political rosette you wear really has no grasp on the situation.
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There are more than 2 colours in UK politics or does Scotland not count?
USER1999
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Or Wales, or the lib dems, or the DUP, monster raving lunies, etc.
Why always Scotland?
Foxholer
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Did F&D actually mention a specific number?
SocketRocket
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There's also the colour of that chip on your shoulder.
Fade and Die
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Who said 2 colours?
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