Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Once again you let your prejudices rule the truth.

The payment agreement was part of an AGREED outcome. No agreement = no payment so perhaps you could reconsider your, once again, none factual post.

You think so? You think that words about nothing being agreed until everything is agreed trump commitment? As in the Exit arrangement commitments that the UK have signed up to and that includes the payment. So we simply renage on that commitment made? Looks good that. The Exit agreement is one things - it's about Exit. What happens in respect of trade is about re-engagement - they are separate processes. And if we are talking semantics - how about the situation where UK and the EU agree that no deal can be reached...that's an agreement - albeit of sorts.
 
You mean like Canada and many other countries have. Are they having their cake and eat it, cherry picking, not paying in, accepting free movement, or is this a special case just for the UK.

Did the PM not rule out a Canada-style deal in her Flarence speech.

She said: “But compared with what exists between Britain and the EU today, it would nevertheless represent such a restriction on our mutual market access that it would benefit neither of our economies.

“Not only that, it would start from the false premise that there is no pre-existing regulatory relationship between us. And precedent suggests that it could take years to negotiate.

“We can do so much better than this.”


https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...-deal-what-is-CETA-will-UK-get-Canadian-style

And from that same article

CETA also does not offer Canadian business free access to the EU’s service market.

This would be catastrophic for the UK, which relies heavily on selling its financial services on the continent.

CETA, which was signed in 2016, took seven years to complete and EU bosses have warned that the UK faces a similar period of negotiation before any deal can be put in place.


So I'm not so sure why a Canada-style deal is now the flavour of the month. Perhaps it's because the deep and meaningful relationship and deal promised by may and Davis just isn't going to happen.

BTW - what happened to the proposed deal that Davis was about to put on the table when May trumped it with Chequers - it seems to have vanished...maybe Davis should show us what he was about to propose...
 
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BTW - what happened to the proposed deal that Davis was about to put on the table when May trumped it with Chequers - it seems to have vanished...maybe Davis should show us what he was about to propose...


Absolutely, I'm gagging to know the details of a deal that we're never going to have, that'd be so useful, bit like Bullseye "look what you would've won "
 
A very interesting story, I wonder how many will see this for what it really is:

https://news.sky.com/story/bmw-to-s...a-month-after-brexit-day-sky-sources-11501360

Car giant BMW will shut its main British manufacturing factory immediately after Brexit day next year for several weeks, because of the rising risk of a "no-deal" divorce, Sky News has learned.
The famous Mini plant in Oxford will not produce cars for at least a month from 29 March 2019, as the German giant activates the next stage of its no-deal contingency plans.
 
A very interesting story, I wonder how many will see this for what it really is:

https://news.sky.com/story/bmw-to-s...a-month-after-brexit-day-sky-sources-11501360

Car giant BMW will shut its main British manufacturing factory immediately after Brexit day next year for several weeks, because of the rising risk of a "no-deal" divorce, Sky News has learned.
The famous Mini plant in Oxford will not produce cars for at least a month from 29 March 2019, as the German giant activates the next stage of its no-deal contingency plans.

Why dont you tell us?

Project Fear....again?
 
Why dont you tell us?

Project Fear....again?

My opinion is that its a scare tactic.... a massive company threatens to shut down its plant for a month, spread it around the usual media outlets to enhance the fear within the public before eventually hitting us with a 2nd referendum to get the answer "they" wanted first time round.
 
My opinion is that its a scare tactic.... a massive company threatens to shut down its plant for a month, spread it around the usual media outlets to enhance the fear within the public before eventually hitting us with a 2nd referendum to get the answer "they" wanted first time round.

Inclined to agree with you there, bit awkward for employees having to take their summer hols in April though - Med's still a bit chilly then!
 
A very interesting story, I wonder how many will see this for what it really is:

https://news.sky.com/story/bmw-to-s...a-month-after-brexit-day-sky-sources-11501360

Car giant BMW will shut its main British manufacturing factory immediately after Brexit day next year for several weeks, because of the rising risk of a "no-deal" divorce, Sky News has learned.
The famous Mini plant in Oxford will not produce cars for at least a month from 29 March 2019, as the German giant activates the next stage of its no-deal contingency plans.

Maybe a common sense approach. I'll be surprised if they do though. Just needs a modicum of common sense to stock pile parts. But as an aside to that, they also announced they'll be investing £19bn on manufacturing the electric powered mini there. Sounds like they're not overly concerned about long term implications.
 
Maybe a common sense approach. I'll be surprised if they do though. Just needs a modicum of common sense to stock pile parts. But as an aside to that, they also announced they'll be investing £19bn on manufacturing the electric powered mini there. Sounds like they're not overly concerned about long term implications.

I think thats what has irritated me most about the story.....the eye catching part is all anyone will remember, despite them clearly saying that it is just a plan for a worst case scenario.
 
A very interesting story, I wonder how many will see this for what it really is:

https://news.sky.com/story/bmw-to-s...a-month-after-brexit-day-sky-sources-11501360

Car giant BMW will shut its main British manufacturing factory immediately after Brexit day next year for several weeks, because of the rising risk of a "no-deal" divorce, Sky News has learned.
The famous Mini plant in Oxford will not produce cars for at least a month from 29 March 2019, as the German giant activates the next stage of its no-deal contingency plans.

I would like to know what it will do if there is a deal done ?
 
Maybe a common sense approach. I'll be surprised if they do though. Just needs a modicum of common sense to stock pile parts. But as an aside to that, they also announced they'll be investing £19bn on manufacturing the electric powered mini there. Sounds like they're not overly concerned about long term implications.

Heard on the radio that they are bringing forward there summer shut down to March/April. Instead of the usual time in the summer.
 
Kopperberg, the Swedish brewers, announce they are to build a brewery in the UK to counter any Brexit issues. Madness!!! Do they not realise financial passporting hasn't been agreed? And then the sky will fall down on the new brewery.
 
Kopperberg, the Swedish brewers, announce they are to build a brewery in the UK to counter any Brexit issues. Madness!!! Do they not realise financial passporting hasn't been agreed? And then the sky will fall down on the new brewery.

This is excellent news.. even better news that it will use British raw materials (some really good apples here) to cater to British market. Will also create jobs here. Excellent way to counter the impact of Brexit in a major market. Passporting not relevant here, so full marks to everyone for what the story is worth. We need more of these..
 
This is excellent news.. even better news that it will use British raw materials (some really good apples here) to cater to British market. Will also create jobs here. Excellent way to counter the impact of Brexit in a major market. Passporting not relevant here, so full marks to everyone for what the story is worth. We need more of these..

I’m sure our resident doom monger will come along soon with something negative!
 
This is excellent news.. even better news that it will use British raw materials (some really good apples here) to cater to British market. Will also create jobs here. Excellent way to counter the impact of Brexit in a major market. Passporting not relevant here, so full marks to everyone for what the story is worth. We need more of these..

Passporting may well be relevant if it has to return a dividend to the parent company. It was a little tongue in cheek anyway as financial passporting will be resolved. There's billions being moved every day. Not passporting it would cause untold damage to all sides.
 
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