Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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spongebob59 said:
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I agree
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Can I ask why ? If someone can join the Army and defend your rights why can’t they vote ?
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Of course.
I just don't think, that at the current voting age, many voters have sufficient life experience to make a reasoned decision as to who/what they would be voting for.
I totally understand that some have, and that some over the voting age haven't, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, and for me that would be at 21 as a minimum.
I'm not sure why you brought the Army into it, I don't think it's relevant at all.
 
Slime said:
Of course.
I just don't think, that at the current voting age, many voters have sufficient life experience to make a reasoned decision as to who/what they would be voting for.
I totally understand that some have, and that some over the voting age haven't, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, and for me that would be at 21 as a minimum.
I'm not sure why you brought the Army into it, I don't think it's relevant at all.
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There are people in the 30’s who don’t understand what or who they are voting for , there are people who just vote the same way every time regardless , there are people that vote on someone’s looks

Schools teach politics so it very likely that kids leaving school at 16 know a lot more than a lot of people

And the Army was relevant because if people at 16 are deemed to be mature enough to carry live weapons and defend the nation then they should be entitled to have a say on who runs the country

It’s like saying that who have retired shouldn’t have a say about the EU because it’s likelt any change won’t affect them in future life

Doon frae Troon said:
Unbelievable
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Instead of just blurting out stuff like that how about you explain why you disagree with his point of view
 
Slime said:
Of course.
I just don't think, that at the current voting age, many voters have sufficient life experience to make a reasoned decision as to who/what they would be voting for.
I totally understand that some have, and that some over the voting age haven't, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, and for me that would be at 21 as a minimum.
I'm not sure why you brought the Army into it, I don't think it's relevant at all.
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Unbelievable
 
Liverpoolphil said:
And the Army was relevant because if people at 16 are deemed to be mature enough to carry live weapons and defend the nation then they should be entitled to have a say on who runs the country
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Where on earth are you getting your information from. Although there has been the odd cock up, service personnel are not supposed to go into operational areas until they are 18 yrs of age.
 
Slime said:
I wouldn't allow anyone under the age of 21 to vote.
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I wouldn’t allow anyone over 50 to vote!
Too much chance of Alzheimer’s affecting the decision making (probably vote for Churchill given the chance)...the old boys will be too busy urinating (due to prostate problems) to get around to voting...and the old girls will all be too angry to vote sensibly due to the menopause.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
There are people in the 30’s who don’t understand what or who they are voting for , there are people who just vote the same way every time regardless , there are people that vote on someone’s looks

Schools teach politics so it very likely that kids leaving school at 16 know a lot more than a lot of people

And the Army was relevant because if people at 16 are deemed to be mature enough to carry live weapons and defend the nation then they should be entitled to have a say on who runs the country

It’s like saying that who have retired shouldn’t have a say about the EU because it’s likelt any change won’t affect them in future life



Instead of just blurting out stuff like that how about you explain why you disagree with his point of view
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Impressional Kids get the opinion of very left wing teachers at school which they take as gospel...That’s hardly education. More like brainwashing!
In my house we have lively (and enjoyable) debates at the Sunday lunch table with my 17 and 14 year old sons.
 
Fade and Die said:
Impressional Kids get the opinion of very left wing teachers at school which they take as gospel...That’s hardly education. More like brainwashing!
In my house we have lively (and enjoyable) debates at the Sunday lunch table with my 17 and 14 year old sons.
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How do you know all teachers are lefties?
Any proof?
 
Fade and Die said:
Plenty but as I’m 52 you probably wouldn’t accept it.👍
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It’s a while since I was at school, but I can’t remember any teachers expressing their political views- even when studying political history!
 
JamesR said:
It’s a while since I was at school, but I can’t remember any teachers expressing their political views- even when studying political history!
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As I said in my post, I have two teenage sons, we have intelligent debates about politics and their views are straight out of the old Corbyn notebook....Thatcher evil, Brexit evil/racist, capitalism bad. Unions good (I agree with that btw) Etc etc.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
The comparisons are a touch over dramatic- if there is to be any change on Art 50 and a change of thinking then I suspect there will be a second democratic vote of some sort. So democracy will still continue
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Yes, I am sure everyone who has had to live in a undemocratic country thought that things that happen there are a tad over dramatic. This stuff isn’t myth. It happened and is happening now. But if you want to play with fire for the sake of letting others interfere with the running of your country, crack on.
I can’t see how there can be changes to A50 other than to delay it or revoke it. The only way to revoke it “democratically” would be to have another vote and we all know the only reason why that is even being discussed.
I want a second referendum = my side lost and I want another go.
 
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