Bogey Comp's and Handicaps

[Region3]

Its like saying that someone who plays off scratch for instance (to make things easier), could score 36 points but still shoot an 80 simply by having a nightmare hole(s) - so does this mean that Stableford is also a silly format?

Stableford isn't silly. A round with exactly the same hole scores in stableford or medal would result in the same handicap adjustment.

A hypothetical example involving a scratch golfer and to make it easy a course of only par 4's. He plays a competition where css = par.

Scores :-
4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4
4 4 3 3 3 3 6 6 6

If it's a medal, he's +2 and goes up 0.1
If it's stableford, he scores 34pts and goes up 0.1
If it's bogey, he wins 1 up and gets cut 0.1

All with exactly the same scores.

Nobody will convince me that the above is sensible. Sorry.

 

[USER1999]

You don't have to play in it then?

Bogey is match play against the course. It has zip to do with strokeplay.

 

[rosecott]

Its like saying that someone who plays off scratch for instance (to make things easier), could score 36 points but still shoot an 80 simply by having a nightmare hole(s) - so does this mean that Stableford is also a silly format?

Stableford isn't silly. A round with exactly the same hole scores in stableford or medal would result in the same handicap adjustment.

A hypothetical example involving a scratch golfer and to make it easy a course of only par 4's. He plays a competition where css = par.

Scores :-
4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4
4 4 3 3 3 3 6 6 6

If it's a medal, he's +2 and goes up 0.1
If it's stableford, he scores 34pts and goes up 0.1
If it's bogey, he wins 1 up and gets cut 0.1

All with exactly the same scores.

Nobody will convince me that the above is sensible. Sorry.

Scores :-
4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4
4 4 3 3 3 3 6 9 9

If it's stableford, he scores 34pts and goes up 0.1
If it's bogey, he wins 1 up and gets cut 0.1
If it's a medal, he's -4 (adjusted) and goes down 0.4

All with exactly the same scores.

 

[Region3]

Scores :-
4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4
4 4 3 3 3 3 6 9 9

If it's stableford, he scores 34pts and goes up 0.1
If it's bogey, he wins 1 up and gets cut 0.1
If it's a medal, he's -4 (adjusted) and goes down 0.4

All with exactly the same scores.

I think you might want to re-read that.

If it's a medal he's +8 which for handicapping gets adjusted to +2, and he still goes up 0.1.

Hmmm, same as stableford...

 

[rosecott]

Mmmh.. yes - shouldn't really mix a lunchtime drink with counting.
The point I was trying to make again is that medal, stableford and bogey are 3 different animals. With a bogey you stand on any tee and you know exactly the score you need to halve or win the hole - strokeplay or stableford don't come into it. As was pointed out by an earlier poster, it's like matchplay against a scratch player who you already know is going to par every hole.

One thing is sure - you will still remain to be convinced. Just enter the next bogey comp and don't worry about it - what is going to happen will happen.

Will I be back in favour if I tell you we had an away day at Beedles Lake recently and thoroughly enjoyed it?

 

[Deleted member 1147]

You should always write down your gross score.
From which your medal/stableford/Bogey competition score will be calculated along with your handicap adjustment.

In fact, all you have to do is write down your gross score & total. You can leave the rest to the handicap secretary/howdidIdo computer to calculate.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

You don't have to play in it then?

Bogey is match play against the course. It has zip to do with strokeplay.

It's a strokeplay competition which masquerades as a matchplay, but only against the course, therefore handicaps come into it.

 

[Region3]

The point I was trying to make again is that medal, stableford and bogey are 3 different animals.

True, but the exact same hole scores in medal and stableford will result in the same handicap alteration.
Saying that a score that would result in 0.1 back could be a cut in bogey is what I can't get my head around.

One thing is sure - you will still remain to be convinced. Just enter the next bogey comp and don't worry about it - what is going to happen will happen.

I'm not the worrying sort, plus it's the golf I enjoy so will still enter everything

Will I be back in favour if I tell you we had an away day at Beedles Lake recently and thoroughly enjoyed it?

You were never out of favour.
I apologise if it read like I was getting annoyed at you. I just like to understand things and I appreciate your efforts in trying.

I'm glad you enjoyed the day at Beedles. The greens are starting to get better and should hopefully be very good in a couple of months as we have an iron on order and a new maintenance regime to follow.

Give me a shout if you fancy another game there sometime.

 

[rosecott]

Am up for that but only if we play Bogey!