Bogey Comp's and Handicaps

[TheJezster]

I played a bogey comp today, never played one before, so was a little unsure about how it all worked, but got an explanation and plodded away.

Do they count towards handicaps? If I played a good round, would I get cut and go up if a crap round?

Have no frame of reference to judge whats good, average or bad, so any pointers would be good.

Thanks

 

[fundy]

Yes they do count for handicap purposes, Im pretty sure there is a clear directive on how its calculated but cant lay my hands on it

In terms of whats a good score - all square with the course is the same as playing to your handicap, usually would take 5 or 6 up against the course to win these when Ive played (similar to 41/42 points)

I think for handicap purposes is you are say 5 up v the course then you would be cut 5x your category cut amount, ie a cat 1 player would be cut 5*0.1=0.5 and so on

Hopefully someone will be able to clarify this

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I quite like the format and wish our club had more than the one annual event. Definitely counts towards handicap

 

[Region3]

Surely it can only count towards handicap if all gross scores are written down.

Just marking the hole as a loss could be bogey or double.

 

[TheJezster]

Thanks for the explanation. I actually managed to beat the course by 6 holes, and whilst I felt I was playing well and enjoyed the round, i really had no idea as to what that meant.

Looks like I might get my first ever handicap cut then, I'll take that

 

[fundy]

Surely it can only count towards handicap if all gross scores are written down.

Just marking the hole as a loss could be bogey or double.

not much different to stableford where it can be double or triple

 

[TheJezster]

I did do that. Apart from the 3 holes I think it was that I blobbed.

 

[Region3]

Surely it can only count towards handicap if all gross scores are written down.

Just marking the hole as a loss could be bogey or double.

not much different to stableford where it can be double or triple

True, but there is no difference in bogey between 1pt and a blob.

If I'm playing (in a bogey comp) a par 4 and have a chip in for half and miss it I pick up because I've lost the hole but in stableford I could still get 1pt.

In theory you could win a bogey match and only score 29pts, and also lose one scoring 35pts.

 

[RichardC]

It's surprising how many people think that you can enter cards into Club 2000 etc without putting down gross scores.

 

[rosecott]

Surely it can only count towards handicap if all gross scores are written down.

Just marking the hole as a loss could be bogey or double.

The only requirement is to record the gross scores on holes on which a win or half is the result.

 

[Region3]

Surely it can only count towards handicap if all gross scores are written down.

Just marking the hole as a loss could be bogey or double.

The only requirement is to record the gross scores on holes on which a win or half is the result.

So am I right in thinking that they can't be used as qualifiers in that case as the difference between a 5 and a 6 on a non-shot hole par 4 is important to handicap calculations?

 

[john0]

I can assure you that they can be used for handicap adjustments as I got cut 1.4 after shooting +9 in one eearlier this year

 

[rosecott]

Surely it can only count towards handicap if all gross scores are written down.

Just marking the hole as a loss could be bogey or double.

The only requirement is to record the gross scores on holes on which a win or half is the result.

So am I right in thinking that they can't be used as qualifiers in that case as the difference between a 5 and a 6 on a non-shot hole par 4 is important to handicap calculations?

Wrong - they can be qualifiers. The CONGU handbook contains a table for converting stableford and bogey results into Nett Differentials. If CSS=par then playing to handicap is 36 stableford points or all square on Bogey. If CSS is 1 less than par it's 37 points or +1.

 

[RGDave]

Surely it can only count towards handicap if all gross scores are written down.

Just marking the hole as a loss could be bogey or double.

I'm trying to remember. We played it as often as stableford years ago.

I guess you and I (to a lesser extent!) have to par a good few of the holes to halve the hole.
If we've played 4, an get no stroke, just pick up. For h'cap'ing, that must make it tricky....did we have a tap-in for bogey or destined to make double?

 

[Region3]

Wrong - they can be qualifiers. The CONGU handbook contains a table for converting stableford and bogey results into Nett Differentials. If CSS=par then playing to handicap is 36 stableford points or all square on Bogey. If CSS is 1 less than par it's 37 points or +1.

I'm confused now.

I make 9 x 3 pointers for wins, a 2pt hole for a half and 8 blobs for losses.
I win 1 up but score 29pts.

By changing any number of my 8 blobs into 1pt holes (still for losses) I could score anything up to 37pts and still win 1 up.

What I'm trying to say is how can my handicap be adjusted on the basis that I completed a bogey round 1 up but didn't record the scores on the holes I lost, since I could have any stableford score from 29 to 37.

 

[rosecott]

Wrong - they can be qualifiers. The CONGU handbook contains a table for converting stableford and bogey results into Nett Differentials. If CSS=par then playing to handicap is 36 stableford points or all square on Bogey. If CSS is 1 less than par it's 37 points or +1.

I'm confused now.

I make 9 x 3 pointers for wins, a 2pt hole for a half and 8 blobs for losses.
I win 1 up but score 29pts.

By changing any number of my 8 blobs into 1pt holes (still for losses) I could score anything up to 37pts and still win 1 up.

What I'm trying to say is how can my handicap be adjusted on the basis that I completed a bogey round 1 up but didn't record the scores on the holes I lost, since I could have any stableford score from 29 to 37.

You didn't make any 3 pointers - you were playing a bogey - win, half or loss are the only 3 possibilities. Medal, stableford and bogey are all different animals.

 

[Region3]

You didn't make any 3 pointers - you were playing a bogey - win, half or loss are the only 3 possibilities. Medal, stableford and bogey are all different animals.

Sorry to go on, but I'm genuinely interested.

I play a bogey Saturday, win 4 up. CSS = Par. Do I get cut 4 x 0.2?

I play stableford Sunday, score exactly the same on every hole as in the bogey comp and come in with 33pts. CSS = Par and I go up 0.1.

If that's right then I'm not confused any more, but it's ridiculous.

If that's wrong, what have I wrongly assumed?

 

[rosecott]

You could also come in with a nett 75, 76, 77, 78 etc. in a medal, any of which could equate to 33, 34, 35 points etc.. It's a form of competitive golf - when you play it you know the rules - it's been around probably longer than stableford.

Just to annoy you even further: if you have a birdie on a stroke hole you get a win, not 4 points.

 

[john0]

Its like saying that someone who plays off scratch for instance (to make things easier), could score 36 points but still shoot an 80 simply by having a nightmare hole(s) - so does this mean that Stableford is also a silly format?

 

[G1BB0]

today my mate off 10 had a net 69 (par) but had 38 points (2 under h/c) due to a 9 on one of the holes off a 10 h/c

so sort of ties in with what your saying John0