Neilds
Assistant Pro
Exactly the point I am making.
Balls
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Skytot
Well-known member
Where did you have this ? My club did a ball fitting but only for balls he stocks .
I called in Clubhouse golf fitting centre in Warrington a few weeks ago and had a chat with a fitter but it’s not something they offer
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
It’s a place called AF golf - an independent golf store with a couple of stores around the area
Kennysarmy
Newbie
I really don't see any significant difference in the mid-range to high-end range balls to justify spending my hard earned on new balls regularly, I might buy some at the beginning of the year on the 4 for 3 deals but also am equally happy playing "finders".
Golf is fun
Well-known member
But what is the point? If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a bicycle, but she doesn't so she is not. Unless you play golf with ear defenders on, or you are deaf, separating the feel from the sound is a pointless exercise.
If you close your eyes, you also can't see the balls colour, pattern or dimples, outside the world of disabled golf though, most people play with their eyes open looking at the ball.
Backache
Assistant Pro
A human brain is very good at combining and integrating sensory information. Just because the removal of one sense, and no one can remove touch and vibration very well loses discriminatory ability does not mean the other senses are not providing sensory information.
Neilds
Assistant Pro
You are completely missing what I am saying so I will type this slowly so you can keep up
In my opinion, you cannot feel how firm or soft a golf ball is. What people refer to as feel is actually sound. They might say a certain ball feels clicky but what they are hearing is sound not feel. When jim8flog stated I was wrong, I challenged him with a hypothetical test about whether he could tell the firmness of a ball without hearing the contact. I did not advocate deaf golf or anything else you keep trying to insinuate.
I maintain that you cannot feel a ball due to a multitude of factors such as the anti vibration tech used by club manufacturers, the shaft properties, the softness of the grip, etc and you are reacting to the sound.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
You can certainly feel the ball coming off the club especially when putting and chipping
Golf is fun
Well-known member
But it's a completely pointless statement, because when you play golf, unless you are disabled you use and rely on a combination of all your senses.You are completely missing what I am saying so I will type this slowly so you can keep up
In my opinion, you cannot feel how firm or soft a golf ball is. What people refer to as feel is actually sound. They might say a certain ball feels clicky but what they are hearing is sound not feel. When jim8flog stated I was wrong, I challenged him with a hypothetical test about whether he could tell the firmness of a ball without hearing the contact. I did not advocate deaf golf or anything else you keep trying to insinuate.
I maintain that you cannot feel a ball due to a multitude of factors such as the anti vibration tech used by club manufacturers, the shaft properties, the softness of the grip, etc and you are reacting to the sound.
Neilds
Assistant Pro
Ok, fine, you win, I give up!!!
Orikoru
Tour Winner
This is a bit like trying to taste foods without your sense of smell - when smell is an intrinsic part of taste.
Golf is fun
Well-known member
Exactly my point.
I'm not doubting that what we perceive as feel is actually sound, I believe that. I believe it's been researched and proven.
However in the real world I can hear my shots so feel/sound/whatever it is actually matters when choosing a ball.
VVega
Assistant Pro
I would guess that the original point was that hearing is generally not considered a part of feeling which in the context of a golf shot is referred to a sensation of touch transferred from the golf club impact into hands.
One can of course define feeling as a combination of all sensory inputs at which point indeed it’s impossible to separate.
srixon 1
Journeyman Pro
The No Putts Given podcast has just done a massive ball test using a robot. They used all the known ball brands with the robot set at different speeds, fast , medium, slow etc. One of the things they got from it was ball aerodynamics. Different balls hit at the same speed with the same club will fly at a different trajectory. Something we don’t see at the hitting end is how the ball lands and its angle of descent. During the testing they stood at the landing zone to find this out and the balls reactions on landing.
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
I agree you absolutely can feel it at the low end from pitching, chipping and putting but only once you reach a certain level.. The majority of golfers are using the wrong ball thinking they’re getting better control when they’re handicap or ability would be better suited to a mid range ball that better suits their swing speed, general playing ability etc.
You’re a low single digit player so inevitably would have better control of how the ball reacts so a more premium ball does suit, but how many mid to high handicappers are playing that same ball, losing more of them and getting no additional benefit of increased spin rates green side when they don’t have the ability to create that spin or release.
Whereas they could use a Triad, E12 , AD333 take your pick and see no difference in how it affects their short game but saves them money and perhaps even gives them a bit more distance and less offline trajectories. I think that’s where people are being ball snobs rather than go something more budget they’re playing big brands high end balls because the pro does, or their lower handicap mate does just to keep up with the Joneses so to speak
And does the average weekend hero have a swing as consistent as a robot?
Obviously to top players it makes a difference. Not to most though.
srixon 1
Journeyman Pro
No they don’t. But obviously for the better player there is some kind of benefit to playing the correct ball for your particular swing. I’ve always used the premium Titleist balls since I joined a club in 1988. Not sure if the Pro-V1 is the “best” ball for me, but mentally it is. I just shot 2 over in a national competition at Woodhall Spa so I’ll stick with them. Yes they are expensive, but I don’t lose many so I feel that I get my money’s worth out of them.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
I did a fairly full read of the MGS. What I noticed was that on a machine there was very little relative difference between the ball in terms of ball speed and distance. Often just 2 yards between top and bottom of their list.
Neilds
Assistant Pro
Is there such thing as a best ball for someone, even at pro level? As most players are sponsored they use the most suitable one (usually top of the range) from that manufacturer. Doesn’t automatically mean a Callaway wouldn’t be a better ball for a TM player for example.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
Callaway Supersoft and Srixon Softfeel.
Good price and performance that suits me.
I will play with Titleist ProV1 very occasionally. But I have found the backspin a hindrance. More often than not it means the ball moves away from hole rather than towards it.
Perfecting that shot that lands before the hole, second bounce beyond the hole, spin slightly backwards - is not something I have ever achieved with sufficient consistency.
After today's rain and warm-for-the-time-of-year temperatures for tomorrow, the greens will be soft and receptive and I might use AD333 or RBZ Speed.
If I do, I'm sure I will find more than one time that my ball will be behind the pitchmark not beyond it. Really no need for an expensive high-spinning ball tomorrow.
Good price and performance that suits me.
I will play with Titleist ProV1 very occasionally. But I have found the backspin a hindrance. More often than not it means the ball moves away from hole rather than towards it.
Perfecting that shot that lands before the hole, second bounce beyond the hole, spin slightly backwards - is not something I have ever achieved with sufficient consistency.
After today's rain and warm-for-the-time-of-year temperatures for tomorrow, the greens will be soft and receptive and I might use AD333 or RBZ Speed.
If I do, I'm sure I will find more than one time that my ball will be behind the pitchmark not beyond it. Really no need for an expensive high-spinning ball tomorrow.
