Another Mass Shooting in the US

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It's pretty much a pointless conversation to have with the US, as others have said it's gone too far and there's no way they'd get all the guns off the streets....plus the 2nd amendment n all that, it's ingrained.

I've just spent a few weeks at Disney Orlando, even walking around the kiddies theme park there were dad's with pro gun t shirts on "guns don't kill people, people do. Protect the 2nd amendment" for example.

How sad for all the families involved, such a senseless waste of life and devastation.
 

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I would say just as bad, if not worse as we are much more compact in our population density.
Our issue with knives is bad enough, and even now we still have gang shootings mixed in. The more force you use to "defend" yourself, the more force is meted out against you.
I hope that we never routenely arm our police because of the message it gives to those ready to use or accept lethal force.

Well, why don't you join the police then and be the one to walk towards the knife or gunman with your wooden stick.
How the hell people advocate sending others into certain serious injury or death, being unable to protect themselves, in order to support a half baked theory of "if we arm the police , the other side will arm themselves more"
Not only rubbish, but dangerous rubbish
If you had been on that London Bridge during the terrorist attack, looking for help, would you have wanted the police reinforcements which arrived to have been carrying guns( which they used) or wooden sticks?
 

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Well, why don't you join the police then and be the one to walk towards the knife or gunman with your wooden stick.
How the hell people advocate sending others into certain serious injury or death, being unable to protect themselves, in order to support a half baked theory of "if we arm the police , the other side will arm themselves more"
Not only rubbish, but dangerous rubbish
If you had been on that London Bridge during the terrorist attack, looking for help, would you have wanted the police reinforcements which arrived to have been carrying guns( which they used) or wooden sticks?

All well and good until the first officer gets something wrong, shoots the wrong person and is consequently hung out to dry. No thanks, I’ll stick with the stick.
 

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Thick end of 400 million guns in USA....4% of the World's population own 46% of the guns...
1.2 guns per person.....of every age.
Yes, something needs to be done but facing those numbers you've got more chance of the British agreeing on Brexit
 

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Well, why don't you join the police then and be the one to walk towards the knife or gunman with your wooden stick.
How the hell people advocate sending others into certain serious injury or death, being unable to protect themselves, in order to support a half baked theory of "if we arm the police , the other side will arm themselves more"
Not only rubbish, but dangerous rubbish
If you had been on that London Bridge during the terrorist attack, looking for help, would you have wanted the police reinforcements which arrived to have been carrying guns( which they used) or wooden sticks?
The reinforcements were the specialist firearms teams. Last time I looked they were carrying Heckler and Kocks made of metal not mdf.
Strangely I haven't yet spoke to a firearms/diplomatic protection officer who has advocated arming every other officer as a routene.....strange that
 

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Why is it that we never hear of potential mass shootings being prevented by someone with a gun ? Or the perpetrator of a mass shooting being wounded or killed by someone on the site with a gun ?
If the statistics are correct then there must be a good percentage of the population carrying guns already, surely one of them would be on site and be able to prevent or lessen the consequences of these “madmen” - isn’t this what the NRA and various political figures are advocating?
 

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It's sad but it doesn't shock me any more.
Guns are part of American culture.
Guns + type of Christianity in US spells disaster.
 

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Truly dreadful stuff. Seems everyone can see that something drastic needs to be done, apart from the Americans. Too engrained in the culture and in the politics for anything to majorly change, more thoughts and prayers and move on. Rinse and repeat.
 
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Didn’t Australia have a mass shooting that made the government turn round and ban guns? None since then

Yes, the Port Arthur massacre
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-35048251

But Americans know all about it but still they want their guns.
I think their only hope is if a friend or family member of a senator or similar gets murdered, then maybe something might happen.
 

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I think that in theory the mass shootings could be stopped.

Granted, die hard criminals will get weapons. But they do so in the UK as well.

However, these shootings seem to be by opportunist. In the UK these angry people do not have easy access to guns and write hate messages on forums and play GTA or other shooter games. In the US they mail order guns and body armour. If you stop them you stop most of the shootings.

If you take away the freely available guns, will the gangs the take over the country because the citizens are unarmed? That’s what the NRA would be saying then, I guess.
 

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It's not even taking away all of the guns, just take away the access to semi-automatic assault rifles. Introduce proper licensing, vetting and gun control. Don't impeach on their constitutional rights by stopping them from having guns completely, but make it illegal to own an assault rifle without proper licensing. You do not need a gun like that for self defence.
 

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It's not even taking away all of the guns, just take away the access to semi-automatic assault rifles. Introduce proper licensing, vetting and gun control. Don't impeach on their constitutional rights by stopping them from having guns completely, but make it illegal to own an assault rifle without proper licensing. You do not need a gun like that for self defence.
But sadly as the NRA seems to have its fingers in a lot of political pies nationally and at state level it's never going to happen and anything that would weaken their ability to be an influencer would be rejected. I totally agree why is there a need for assault weapons as a form of self-defence in what Trump calls " a safe secure society".
 

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All well and good until the first officer gets something wrong, shoots the wrong person and is consequently hung out to dry. No thanks, I’ll stick with the stick.

If I Understand your last sentence correctly then I wish you a safe career, with little need for your stick.
However, the possibility for the mistakes you fear does not these days outweigh the need for the ability of the police to protect the innocent public.
This is not Dixon of Dock Green Britain.
The Times today reports that the Ohio shooting was ended less than a minute after it started. Thanks to the presence of a police officer who shot the offender dead.
Had he been less than armed, God knows what numbers would have died.
Less than a minute!..and look at the carnage.
I don't know what the response time is in your area to call out Firearms officers, but in the cities outside London, it will be approaching 20 minutes., certainly more in the Shires..
As Abraham Lincoln said, "As our case is new, so we must think anew"
And , BTW, most European countries' Police are armed, and there aren't many citizens complaining over there . The risks are considered acceptable
 

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So sad to resurrect this thread.
Awful events in Buffalo earlier this month, and today at a school of youngsters.
Humans are pretty rubbish.
 
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