Another e-bay "experience"....learn from my mistake!!

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Visited the local club a couple of months ago, fell in love with a set of Wilson Di7 irons while I was there. £299.00 with steel shafts, but I wanted graphite.
Hunted around on the internet for the best prices, finally tracked a set down via e-bay that were being offered for £229.00 4-GW.
Seemed cheap, so I phoned the shop to confirm that they were pukka Wilson and not Chinese "looky likeys" and was told that yes, they were official, it was the last set they had and told what a lovely club they were. So I purchased them.
They arrived a couple of days later, looked the biz, but no sand wedge.
I phoned the shop and asked if they could get me one to match, the guy said he would contact Wilson and phone me back. To be fair, he phoned me back within 15 minutes to say "yes I can get you the matching sand wedge, it will be £50.00 delivered and will take 7-10 days".
I agreed to buy it.
They rang me yesterday to inform me the club had turned up, and said they would ship it out straightaway.
As promised, the club was delivered today, I took it out of the box and it looked gorgeous....but something didn't look quite right. The shaft, whilst being the same make was different, nowhere near as thick at the hosel as the other eight clubs. I checked, and it was not the "fat shaft" that the others were. I knew something was wrong but phoned Wilson customer helpline to confirm.
The young lady I spoke to there confirmed that the shaft in my sand iron was UK spec, the shafts I had in my other irons were built for the U.S. market and weren't available over here.
I immediately contacted the guy who had sold me the clubs to find out what was going on.
He tried to defend his position by saying that I should have realised the clubs weren't UK spec by token of the fact that they were offered 4-GW not 4-SW. I told him that whilst I thought it was a bit odd, at no time during our conversation did he mention the fact that I couldn't get the shafts in the UK. What would happen if I snapped a shaft in one of my irons? "Send it back to us and we will fix it" came the reply. "Say you are not trading in six months time" I said, "where does that leave me?"
He didn't really have an answer.
"And why, when I ordered the "matching" sand wedge, did you not tell me at the time that the shaft would be different? Can you get me a sand iron with the same shaft?"
"No" came the reply.
So I've ended up with a set of clubs that I can't get a matching sand iron for!
I've told them in no uncertain terms I'm not happy about the situation and he has told me to send them all back and he would have a word with the manager...I've only used the clubs once, but obviously they are not brand new anymore.
What would you do?
Sorry for the long rambling post, but I feel that I've been tucked up along the line here, and I'm not a happy bunny.
If nothing else, I hope someone learns a lesson from my mistake....if I get a refund, I am buying from the pro shop.
Rob
 

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Fight for the full refund mate, they are pulling a fast one doing that.

If you do get a refund wait a few weeks until the Di9 come out and you will get a great price from your pro.
 

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Yeah, get the refund while the deal is still warm. Leave it too long and you might get short shrift. You were clearly miss-sold the set so there's not point on hanging on to them (shame you've used them, tho). As HTL says, the Di9 will be better regardless.

(Not being funny, but most iron sets these days are 3/4-PW and most folk are content with sourcing their own SW etc.. Personally, I would not have gone for the SW but that's just me.)
 

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You were clearly miss-sold the set so there's not point on hanging on to them (shame you've used them, tho)

The guy there is saying that I wasn't miss-sold them because their website didn't state that they were UK spec. It didn't state that they were USA spec either! My annoyance with them is that when I phoned to order a "matching" sandwedge, he had the opportunity to tell me then that the shaft would be different, which he didn't. He told me it would match! I did in fact phone the day I received the other irons about the sand iron and had I been warned about the difference I wouldn't have used the clubs and would have sent them back straightaway.
 

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Looks like you were miss-sold the clubs because you should've been told that either the 4-GW or the SW would not be the same spec. They would have known that (1) the clubs weren't UK spec and (2) other clubs would not be the same spec as the set; they must pass this info onto you before you buy otherwise they are clearly misleading you. There's not many people out there who'd want a mismatched set of clubs.

Good luck with this, Smiffy.
 

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It's not great is it BUT, it might not be that bad. You've picked up a set of good irons for a good price. I bought some US spec Mizunos years ago without a SW, so I bought an off the shelf Mizuno SW which I added to the set.
I have 4-PW Macgregor 565s in graphite which I got for a very cheap price. I've added a TM GW and the old (now 15) Mizuno SW as mentioned above. I asked my pro about having 7 graphites and two completely unmatched STEEL wedges....he thought it was fine.
You could fight for a full refund or just argue over the SW. If they said it would match (which is as I understand it) then you have a clear cut case. Even if you run into a brick wall, you've still got some good clubs for a good price and better to have an unmatched wedge but the rest to be spot on....it shouldn't affect your game. I do however appreciate where you are coming from.
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Smiffy what was the store called.
PM me if you like.
Thanks mate.

Hi Barney.
I'd rather not say who they are just yet as I don't want to hamper any chance I may have to resolve this issue to the satisfaction of both parties. To be fair to the guy I have been dealing with, he has shown sympathy to my situation and said he would do the best to resolve it. They have other clubs on their website, one set in particular I was contemplating as an alternative to the Di7's in the first place. If the price is right and they play fair then I am quite happy to give this company my business and will pay the little bit extra to get the other clubs, just as long as they are UK spec (which they appear to be). It isn't a case of "buyers remorse" where I am looking for a refund to go elsewhere and buy because I have found them cheaper. I'm a reasonable bloke, I'm in sales myself and know that shouting and screaming at them isn't going to get me anywhere. If I could have got the matching sand wedge I would be happy, although still a bit miffed that I have been miss-lead slightly. The other issue is about the "broken shaft" scenario. Wilson themselves confirmed that I cannot get these shafts in the UK so how are these guys supposed to be able to promise me a "fix" when they can't source a standard club in the first place?
Thanks for all your comments and support lads...I will keep you informed as to the progress I am making, and if the company concerned get shirty, I will naturally let you all know who they are.
I have emailed them this evening asking about the availability of the other clubs I am interested in. Hopefully I will hear something tomorrow because if nothing else they have been very quick in coming back to me.
Rob

PS It's a bugger though...I bought a brand new Wilson bag to go with the clubs, but the other ones are Callaway!!

PPS By the way Dave....I had a set of Tommy Armour 845's a few years ago. Loved 'em. ;)
 

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If you try the diplomatic aproach first before going full steam ahead you may get a response.

Sometimes specifics are not as forthcomming from both sides so mistakes can be made.

If you like the clubs I would suggest keeping them but sending the one club back requesting re-fund on that, compromise often works. If you feel you have been shafted on the whole deal the keep on to them, dont let it go, time can be damaging to any dispute.
 

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Also not keen on matching wdges, better off with specialist wedges. That said, given my propensity for breaking stuff, I would only buy kit with commonly avaiable shafts. I like R300's, you can get them anywhere, and they have made them for ages.
 

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I'd check their refund/returns policy very carefully and get it agreed just what you can expect. too late to argue once they've got your money and your clubs.
 

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Smiffy

I think you have to ask yourself "are you happy with the clubs" if the answer is "n"o then go for a refund.
 

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Smiffy

I think you have to ask yourself "are you happy with the clubs" if the answer is "n"o then go for a refund.

I'm happy with the clubs per se. The thing that concerns me is the "broken shaft" scenario as I have mentioned.
I have no guarantee that this company will be there in six months to take care of me should this happen, and on the basis that the shafts I have fitted are not available over here it leaves me kinda snookered.
I appreciate what others have said about the sand wedge, and yes I had thought about getting a different make anyway. But I have always played with a matched set (apart from a lob wedge I carried a couple of years ago which was steel shafted whereas all my other clubs were graphite).
But it's the principle of the thing that is annoying me. As I say, I only used the irons last week because I was assured that a "matching sand wedge" was on the way. Had I known about the problem (which they obviously were) I wouldn't have used them so wouldn't be faced with the situation that they are now saying exists..."if the clubs are marked they will see what they can do". Of course they are marked, I've used them!
Sorry if I'm going on.
Rob
 

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What are the "American" shafts? I'm sure they could be ordered if necessary.

its just that you have a really good set at a really good price. Shafts are available on the net or can be bought through your pro. And lets face it, how many shafts have you broken? I've been playing nearly 20 years and only had one let go about 10 years ago. I don't see the possibility of a broken shaft as a real issue.

And anyway you can tell your mates that your clubs are better coz they've got an "exclusive " shaft!!??
 

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Imurg is right its very unlikely your going to break a shaft.I've been playing 15 years and never broke one.

Now always playing with a matching set some people might say you were being a little bit Anal :eek: :D
 

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I agree Smiffy with you that you have a right to be annoyed about the principals of the seller for not fully disclosing these wear american spec clubs.

However I've got to say I agree with another couple of guys in here as well. If you think you can get on with the clubs and like to play with them, keep them. You still got a good deal on a very nice set of irons and unless you have a bad temper and are a club chucker, you will more than likely change the irons before any of the shafts break (happens so infrequently you'd be just plain unlucky).

If I was you, I would send back the sand wedge and perhaps ask them about a deal on another specialist wedge (Vokey / TM etc) as a goodwill gesture and just enjoy your new clubs.

Count yourself lucky that the extent of your ebay woes amounts to genuine, all be it american clubs. Others have come off much worse from the site.

Best of luck with whatever you decide.
 

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I have played golf for 17 years, had 5 sets of irons but never possessed a "matching" sandwedge. Apart from the fact that there are hundreds of specialist wedges on the market I dont think the shaft matters much on a sandwedge. Admittedly I almost never make a full swing with my SW - it wont fly further only higher - but how often do you?

A know many good golfers who play graphite shafts but use a steel shaft on their wedges.

I repeat the advise of happyhacker: ask about a deal on a specialist wedge!
 
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Can't knock Ebay as I currently have a stack of crap (I means great things) for sale on it to raise a little cash so I can buy the kid a tangerine and walnut at Christmas.....or maybe a vokey wedge!!

Stop worrying about the matching set and get a vokey or CG12 or something instead.

It is disappointing to learn of a Pro Shop being a little underhand through Ebay.
 
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