stevek1969
Money List Winner
Some good word of wisdom and you are 100% correct i'm just crap now,lol. I just enjoy going out and playing to be honest my hanidcap is what it is the scores never lie.
Annual Handicap Review
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Some good word of wisdom and you are 100% correct i'm just crap now,lol. I just enjoy going out and playing to be honest my hanidcap is what it is the scores never lie.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Actually, there's a 'buffer' involved as well as 'to your handicap'. 1 for Cat 1 (5 and below) 2 for Cat 2 (6-12), 3 for Cat 3 (13-20) and 4 for Cat 4 (21-28).
Just to add a little more complication, the 'standard' number that you are expected to play to on your handicap can change in any competition by 1 better or up to 3 poorer, depending on how everybody else scored (to reflect difficult or easy conditions).
Uh and handicap is a Stableford measure - so if you have a complete blowout on any hole, it only counts as nett double bogey/zero points (for handicap purpose only).
Good news is that for each shot better than the adjusted standard score (CSS) your handicap reduces by 0.<Category>, so 0.1 for Cat 1, 0.2 for Cat 2 etc.
Much easier just to play every hole as well as you can and let the system work it out. Though you may have to check if you score well and are playing another competition somewhere - as it's Your responsibility to ensure that you play off the correct (or at least no higher than real/can be expected) handicap.
Simples?
Not sure if we've had ours or not. The club isn't great about communicating stuff and its usually buried at the bottom of a notice board somewhere. Pretty sure Sundance and Bash were looking for an extra cut based on their 2011 performances but they hadn't seen anything last time I spoke with them
rosecott
Money List Winner
It has to be done by the end of this month.
There was some talk of me getting some sort of cut due to all the matchplay scores i had last year, but when i pointed out to the HS that i had hardly mad buffer in a stroke play comp he agreed i shouldnt be cut after all.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Surely not, how can you cut someone when the potentially don't hole out every hole?
rosecott
Money List Winner
Matchplay competition performance is one of the things CONGU requires you to take into account on Annual Review.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Really?
Sounds stupid, I for the life of me can't see how that works, I do not know anyone ever submitting a card after playing matchplay.
Even if you win your clubs matchplay comp through say 5 rounds, there is no way to tell if you played to your handicap without submitting a card.
rosecott
Money List Winner
If you happened to be on the handicap committee, how would you deal with a player who hadn't lost in matchplay for the last 3 years but only played in the minimum 3 qualifiers a year to keep his handicap active?
They do exist.
Tom C
Hacker
You don't but performance in match play can be taken into consideration along with the DATA you have at hand for the review
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thecraw
Guest
I think thats what Steve is aiming for!:ears:
Foxholer
Blackballed
Here's the extract from the Guide:
When carrying out the Annual Review and in giving consideration to possible handicap adjustments arising from the computer generated listing, the Handicap Committee should:
• Take account of the player’s achievements in Non Qualifying Competitions, match play competitions, four-ball better ball competitions and other forms of team event in addition to medal play performance.
• Examine the frequency of Qualifying Scores recently returned by the player to and below his Playing Handicap.
• Possibly deal more severely with a player, whose general standard of play is known to be improving, than it would with a player who it is believed has returned scores below his general ability but whose general ability is not considered to be improving.
• Only adjust a handicap after all information available in regard to the playing ability of the player has been considered. Decisions made on the
basis of ‘knee-jerk’ reactions to a single performance or good score are seldom justifiable.
• Recognise that it is as important to identify players of declining ability who have handicaps that are too low, as it is to identify players who have a handicap that is too high.
• Ensure that the performance of any player who has been allotted a handicap since the last Review is carefully assessed to confirm that his handicap reflects current ability.
• Not use General Play Adjustments as a ‘punishment’ (or ‘reward’) for success in either match or stroke play competitions.
• Not apply a formula to make adjustments such as the winners of club match play events being the subject of a handicap reduction of two strokes.
End of extract.
Had a particularly heated argument at an old club about their Automatic Reduction of h'cap for any winner of a Matchplay comp. Took a tenner off him - and he was/is a Banker too. Should have put the house on it!
However, Annual Review is the time to nobble the sandbaggers like the one 'minimum comps only'. I received congratulations from a number of folk when, as an improver, I put out a guy who had won the handicap matchplay - for the last 3 years! Even better was that it was by a fluke on the 19th hole - in thick fog!
When carrying out the Annual Review and in giving consideration to possible handicap adjustments arising from the computer generated listing, the Handicap Committee should:
• Take account of the player’s achievements in Non Qualifying Competitions, match play competitions, four-ball better ball competitions and other forms of team event in addition to medal play performance.
• Examine the frequency of Qualifying Scores recently returned by the player to and below his Playing Handicap.
• Possibly deal more severely with a player, whose general standard of play is known to be improving, than it would with a player who it is believed has returned scores below his general ability but whose general ability is not considered to be improving.
• Only adjust a handicap after all information available in regard to the playing ability of the player has been considered. Decisions made on the
basis of ‘knee-jerk’ reactions to a single performance or good score are seldom justifiable.
• Recognise that it is as important to identify players of declining ability who have handicaps that are too low, as it is to identify players who have a handicap that is too high.
• Ensure that the performance of any player who has been allotted a handicap since the last Review is carefully assessed to confirm that his handicap reflects current ability.
• Not use General Play Adjustments as a ‘punishment’ (or ‘reward’) for success in either match or stroke play competitions.
• Not apply a formula to make adjustments such as the winners of club match play events being the subject of a handicap reduction of two strokes.
End of extract.
Had a particularly heated argument at an old club about their Automatic Reduction of h'cap for any winner of a Matchplay comp. Took a tenner off him - and he was/is a Banker too. Should have put the house on it!
However, Annual Review is the time to nobble the sandbaggers like the one 'minimum comps only'. I received congratulations from a number of folk when, as an improver, I put out a guy who had won the handicap matchplay - for the last 3 years! Even better was that it was by a fluke on the 19th hole - in thick fog!
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JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
.....are you going to tell Smiffy or am I?
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
It's ok James. I already know my handicap is too high
I played quite a few Low,low guys and won by 8 holes against one and was 4 under though 15 holes in another and all those puts where holed exect one.
A few words were said to the handicap committe by a number of people even a few in my role up.
Though it would have been nice to be down to 7, but i'd rather do it in stroke play comps and not a few bounce games and match play rounds.
Doh
Journeyman Pro
I might be wrong about this but you dont have to accept an increase of your H/C in the Annual review if you dont want it.
rosecott
Money List Winner
Yes - you are wrong but there's nothing to stop you from putting your old (lower) handicap on your scorecard.
Yip, started last season at a new club off 13.7 finished at 14.5 and up to 15.5 after review. Im effectively up 4 shots in 4 years, im certain i'll drop 2 shots again by mid May though but we shall see.
2 shots extra at the GM v HDID challenge though :thup:
Oh boy oh boy, I will be keeping a close eye on your scores big yin just to see if you can get them 2 shots off the handicap by "Mid May"
As for the Challenge well that don't scare us one little bit, bring it on:rofl:
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Oh boy oh boy, I will be keeping a close eye on your scores big yin just to see if you can get them 2 shots off the handicap by "Mid May"
As for the Challenge well that don't scare us one little bit, bring it on:rofl:
Well we shall see big fella, if I get the medals in which I should then I see no reason (other than a dodgy putter :rofl
Nope never had it happen yet but there are loads of times is wish I had an extra few shots, anyway you need to change your sig as it says your "Hacking aboot of 12" & this clearly is not true:rofl:
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