And, we're off.....2016/17

[fundy]

Bournemouth deserve some credit for last nights performance, don't make it all about Arsenal.

hahahahahahaha are you for real

 

[sawtooth]

hahahahahahaha are you for real

Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and accept that the opposition were better and that was the case for the first 45 mins last night. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, Bournemouth were great IMO.

 

[richy]

Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and accept that the opposition were better and that was the case for the first 45 mins last night. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, Bournemouth were great IMO.

What would it take for you/Wenger supporters to say enough is enough and it's time for him to go?
Miss out on top 4?
Miss out on Europa?
Relegation?

Serious question

 

[sawtooth]

What would it take for you/Wenger supporters to say enough is enough and it's time for him to go?
Miss out on top 4?
Miss out on Europa?
Relegation?

Serious question

Miss out on top 4 for a couple of years in a row will probably do it. However, Wenger would probably resign if he failed to make top 4 once. He set that particular benchmark himself but people forget how difficult it is to achieve.

 

[richy]

Miss out on top 4 for a couple of years in a row will probably do it. However, Wenger would probably resign if he failed to make top 4 once. He set that particular benchmark himself but people forget how difficult it is to achieve.

It's very difficult to achieve but why can't Wenger get Arsenal to kick on and win a major trophy?

 

[Papas1982]

Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and accept that the opposition were better and that was the case for the first 45 mins last night. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, Bournemouth were great IMO.

1st goal, right back goes missing
2nd goal midfielder is an idiot
3rd goal right back vanishes further into the hole he dug himself.


Whilst bournemouth played with high tempo all three goals were due to defensive inadequacies, not great play imo.

 

[sawtooth]

It's very difficult to achieve but why can't Wenger get Arsenal to kick on and win a major trophy?

Well I think part of it is that we can't get first pick of the players we want to bring in. Not that many top drawer players available to begin with and when they do become available we don't the pay as much as the competition.

And we have more of a fight to keep the talent we have. We are not alone in that, Spurs, Liverpool , etc experience the same.

I would like to think we are getting better at spending money but still not in the same league as some.

Waiting for someone to mention Leicester any minute.👍

 

[sawtooth]

1st goal, right back goes missing
2nd goal midfielder is an idiot
3rd goal right back vanishes further into the hole he dug himself.


Whilst bournemouth played with high tempo all three goals were due to defensive inadequacies, not great play imo.

Yes but you could also argue that Bournemouths good play, pressing and high tempo caused Arsenal to become disorganised , harried and pulled out of place. It depends on how you look at it.

 

[richy]

Well I think part of it is that we can't get first pick of the players we want to bring in. Not that many top drawer players available to begin with and when they do become available we don't the pay as much as the competition.

And we have more of a fight to keep the talent we have. We are not alone in that, Spurs, Liverpool , etc experience the same.

I would like to think we are getting better at spending money but still not in the same league as some.

Waiting for someone to mention Leicester any minute.👍

The thing is you mention Leicester yourself so you know the money excuse doesn't tell the whole story. Good coaching, a well balanced side and team work rate works wonders.

Your owners are billionaires so money must be available. Wenger has done magnificent for you but that was a long time ago and he can't really cut it at the very top when it comes to winning major trophies anymore.

 

[user2010]

How does Mystic Meg(Homer) see the game going tonight?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

West Ham's appeal against the red has been successful

 

[sawtooth]

The thing is you mention Leicester yourself so you know the money excuse doesn't tell the whole story. Good coaching, a well balanced side and team work rate works wonders.

Your owners are billionaires so money must be available. Wenger has done magnificent for you but that was a long time ago and he can't really cut it at the very top when it comes to winning major trophies anymore.

Leicester was a freak thing, it will be another 100 years before anything like that happens again.

Money is a lot of it, invariably the club with the best players wins the day. But management, coaching, work rate, motivation, training, tactics, formation, diet all play a part and dare I say it - luck also.

I am sure Wenger would do certain things differently given his time again but nobody is perfect I guess.

Maybe we need Pep? :smirk:

 

[freddielong]

The thing is you mention Leicester yourself so you know the money excuse doesn't tell the whole story. Good coaching, a well balanced side and team work rate works wonders.

Your owners are billionaires so money must be available. Wenger has done magnificent for you but that was a long time ago and he can't really cut it at the very top when it comes to winning major trophies anymore.

Arsenal do not have owners they are still a traded commodity on the AIM we have majority shareholders there is a massive massive difference. Usmanov or Kronke are not going to give money to something they only part own without something back in return.

And re Leicester you can not use the only exception to prove a rule.

 

[jp5]

Can only spend so much money - after that other factors come into play, as Leicester (and Chelsea) showed last year.

 

[richy]

Leicester was a freak thing, it will be another 100 years before anything like that happens again.

Money is a lot of it, invariably the club with the best players wins the day. But management, coaching, work rate, motivation, training, tactics, formation, diet all play a part and dare I say it - luck also.

I am sure Wenger would do certain things differently given his time again but nobody is perfect I guess.

Maybe we need Pep? :smirk:

I know that was a tongue in cheek remark but you probably do need Pep. Or a manager of that calibre. Wenger used to be at that level but hasn't been for a number of years.

I heard on the radio to that if Bayern beat you in the Champions League that will be 7 years straight you've been knocked out at the first KO stage. Is that true?

 

[sawtooth]

I know that was a tongue in cheek remark but you probably do need Pep. Or a manager of that calibre. Wenger used to be at that level but hasn't been for a number of years.

I heard on the radio to that if Bayern beat you in the Champions League that will be 7 years straight you've been knocked out at the first KO stage. Is that true?

Yes sounds about right.

If Wenger was at charge at Barca and Bayern instead of Pep I bet he would have enjoyed exactly the same success.

I honestly don't see Pep as an upgrade unless he brought with him £500M to spend

 

[richy]

Yes sounds about right.

If Wenger was at charge at Barca and Bayern instead of Pep I bet he would have enjoyed exactly the same success.

I honestly don't see Pep as an upgrade unless he brought with him £500M to spend

He could be Wenger 2.0

His sides can play nice football
technically superior than opposition
They like to walk it in the net
However they actually win things

 

[sawtooth]

As much as I would love Chelsea to extend their winning run I've stuck a tenner on Kane to score and Spurs to win in 90 mins , miserly 4/1

Anyone else had a small flutter?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Sounds daft, but that first 30 mins have flown by!

 

[garyinderry]

Great header.