Pin-seeker
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20 years?
And, we're off.....2016/17
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Jensen
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And how many of that youth team will actually hold down a first team place
Well based on those 2 performances none of yours will 😂😂
Its more than just missing out on 4th, which isn't definite yet anyway. Its about the manner in which Arsenal are missing out. Losing to sides that not so long ago would have been frightened to come out of their own half. Going down 10-2 on aggregate to a team that no so long ago would have struggled against Arsenal... one match of 5-1, it happens but two matches?
And look at this season and last. At one point last season it was in Arsenal's hands but they blew it, and only got second due to Spur's lack of maturity. This season they're seriously going backwards.
As for what Wenger has done in the past; I'm a Wenger fan and like to see Arsenal do well. But its time to say goodbye. If he is staying I'd give him till Christmas. Even spending the way he currently does, and without the distraction of the CL if they don't qualify, if there isn't signs of a resurgence I'd show him the door. If he has any doubts he can do it I'd hope he'd call it a day at the end of this season.
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Just seen Kosceilny's defending for the 1st West Brom goal, it's a good job he never played in the 2nd halves against Bayern, they'd have conceded 10 if he'd defended like that 
Free header for the 3rd. Shocking.
Free header for the 3rd. Shocking.
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Pin-seeker
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Just seen Kosceilny's defending for the 1st West Brom goal, it's a good job he never played in the 2nd halves against Bayern, they'd have conceded 10 if he'd defended like that
With all the money spent how have Arsenal,city & Liverpool managed to have such bad defences?
Arsenal defended like an under 10's team (Shearer) 😂😂
sawtooth
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The way things are going I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger resigned before then. He can do without all this and go somewhere he is appreciated a lot more.
ColchesterFC
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Great spot from the linesman to disallow the first Stoke goal for the push in the box. Got to admit I didn't see it on first viewing.
clubchamp98
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There's not many good ones around.
most have forgot how to tackle properly or never knew.
Standard of defending in the premier Leauge is poor that's why CL sides have no problems against English teams.
MegaSteve
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One of the marks of successful folk is acknowledging when it is time to step down... Sadly, it would appear, Arsene has let his opportunity slip by..
Junior
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This 100% , it's become a business first for a lot of owners. The key differential is this.....
Fans want to bring in good players so that their team can win. Owners want to bring in good players so the club makes more money by winning.
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sawtooth
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I don't think running a PL team is good investment do you?
Yes TV money has gone up enormously but most of that income goes straight out of the club with increased player fees and salaries.
Profitability is all over the place, some years a modest profit and others a loss. Especially those investing heavily trying to make the club successful. Losses can be huge.
I don't think for a second that Roman came into football to make money. How much of his 1 Billion + will he hope to get back?
Wenger is showing what success looks like trying to run a club successfully (using club funds to run itself and turning a profit YoY)
Going above and beyond that level of spending will require money from investors , money that most should expect to write off. Owners like RA won't have a problem with that as it's his train set, same applies to City Arab owners but other investors wont be as quick to throw their money away.
If you get relegated then you lose money. If you stay up then you can reap big money. Look at the Glazers at Utd, Arsenal owners being the obvious. You can draw money out in fees as they do or the value of the club simply increases and the money is made in the profit following a sale.
Chelsea and City spent big quickly in order to play with the big boys straight away. That is where their money went. Had they been prepared to take their time then they too would have made money. Unless you are a financial muppet, plenty around, there is lots of money to be made in the PL.
Chelsea and City spent big quickly in order to play with the big boys straight away. That is where their money went. Had they been prepared to take their time then they too would have made money. Unless you are a financial muppet, plenty around, there is lots of money to be made in the PL.
Jensen
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Arsene Wenger has really aged over the last couple of years, he looks tired
Where who's money went?
Having a rich owner, several top class players and a fabulous ground are assets to be borrowed against, with the owner acting as guarantor in the eyes of the bank.
Having a great wedge of money in the bank is wasteful. Money should be used to make more money. That's how pretty much all businesses are run.
And in these days of almost zero interest rates for both borrowing and savings why on earth would anyone have money doing nothing.
It is rank bad management to by any club not to be investing in a club. Buying a £100m player means the club have a £100m asset. It's an asset, and a (part) debt that needs servicing, but providing it delivers it is giving an ROI(return on investment).
And a club as big as Arsenal is being badly managed. It's underperforming and is developing a reputation for being far too conservative, which will affect its pulling power.
Having a rich owner, several top class players and a fabulous ground are assets to be borrowed against, with the owner acting as guarantor in the eyes of the bank.
Having a great wedge of money in the bank is wasteful. Money should be used to make more money. That's how pretty much all businesses are run.
And in these days of almost zero interest rates for both borrowing and savings why on earth would anyone have money doing nothing.
It is rank bad management to by any club not to be investing in a club. Buying a £100m player means the club have a £100m asset. It's an asset, and a (part) debt that needs servicing, but providing it delivers it is giving an ROI(return on investment).
And a club as big as Arsenal is being badly managed. It's underperforming and is developing a reputation for being far too conservative, which will affect its pulling power.
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But the value of the club has increased and the share price risen which proves how succesful the shareholders are and how much money they've made.
And all without mentioning the football side, oh wait a minute, it's a football club we're discussing.
Arsenal, best spreadsheet in the PL
sawtooth
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Case in point at Everton. Let's see how far their owners/investors want to go to keep Lukaku.
My guess is not as far as he wants them to go hence he will part company. He will go somewhere where money is of no consequence.....Um I wonder where that might be?!
Of course Arsenal spreadsheet is excellent, it spends wisely and within its means. It's run like a proper business.
If you want success nowadays you need sugar daddy money or a miracle. The latter is very rare and short lived (Leicester).
Arsenal are being ridiculed for playing by the book from what I can see
Lukaku will go if the offer is big enough. No question. Someone will have to over pay for him as he has two years left on his deal and that will allow the club to take some money for itself to improve its facilities, hopefully the bulk to re-invest in 2-3 top players to replace him and strengthen elsewhere. I'd like to keep him but if he wants to go then you need to do the best for the club. Holding him for two years, having him sulk and then get no money at the end to re-invest in new players would be bad for business and for the football side. No shame in selling a player as long as you do something good with the proceeds.
A few times when discussing the finance side you've thrown Utd into the mix. They dominated for how long? And they don't have a sugar daddy. In fact they have at times been hindered by their owners.
if you currently have £200 in the coffers, from a business point. That's dead money. Either give it to shareholders as dividends. Or spend it. Surely that's what a business would do?
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