And, we're off.....2016/17

[Deleted member 15344]

Case in point at Everton. Let's see how far their owners/investors want to go to keep Lukaku.

My guess is not as far as he wants them to go hence he will part company. He will go somewhere where money is of no consequence.....Um I wonder where that might be?!

Of course Arsenal spreadsheet is excellent, it spends wisely and within its means. It's run like a proper business.

If you want success nowadays you need sugar daddy money or a miracle. The latter is very rare and short lived (Leicester).

Arsenal are being ridiculed for playing by the book from what I can see

He will also want to win trophies and play in the CL - he can earn money still at Everton but you will continue to ignore the fact that he will also want to win trophies and play in the CL - winning trophies is a big reason why players leave Arsenal

 

[Old Skier]

He will also want to win trophies and play in the CL - he can earn money still at Everton but you will continue to ignore the fact that he will also want to win trophies and play in the CL - winning trophies is a big reason why players leave Arsenal

And Liverpool find it hard to lay their hands on many top top class players.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Case in point at Everton. Let's see how far their owners/investors want to go to keep Lukaku.

My guess is not as far as he wants them to go hence he will part company. He will go somewhere where money is of no consequence.....Um I wonder where that might be?!

Of course Arsenal spreadsheet is excellent, it spends wisely and within its means. It's run like a proper business.

If you want success nowadays you need sugar daddy money or a miracle. The latter is very rare and short lived (Leicester).

Arsenal are being ridiculed for playing by the book from what I can see

What book are you playing by? Is it some magical nirvana that doesn't exist? You have the richest man in Russia as your second biggest shareholder and you go on about sugar daddies!!!

You don't compete with Everton, your rivals are Chelsea and City, I'd be more than happy for Lukaku to go to another club so long as the money goes back in to the club and we move forward.
You are happy with mediocrity so long as you have a healthy bank balance.

I'd rather aim for the stars than stay on planet earth

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Why do people keep bringing LPool into these discussions?

Their fans are not doubting their shortfalls,

Sawtooth is!!

 

[Old Skier]

Why do people keep bringing LPool into these discussions?

Their fans are not doubting their shortfalls,

Sawtooth is!!

Apologise, I didn't realised it had turned into an Arsenal thread.

 

[MegaSteve]

Why do people keep bringing LPool into these discussions?

Is this a serious question ...

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Apologise, I didn't realist it had turned into an Arsenal thread.

I'm not saying that, there are 19 other trams in the PL and as soon as we discuss Arsenal people bring LPool as a counter argument, LPool are not one of the recent big 4, Arsenals rivals are Chelsea, City and Utd, they are the Clubs Sawtooth mentions, so bringing a lesser club doesn't prove anything.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Is this a serious question ...

Badly worded, was trying to keep personalities out of it.

 

[Hobbit]

But the value of the club has increased and the share price risen which proves how succesful the shareholders are and how much money they've made.



And all without mentioning the football side, oh wait a minute, it's a football club we're discussing.

Arsenal, best spreadsheet in the PL

But what is the value of the club? If you buy 5 players at £50m you've increased the value of the club by £250m less the cost of purchase and the cost of salaries. If you buy 5 players at £100m each you've increased the value of the club by £500m less costs etc.

You've also bought 5 players that will increase your earnings by a greater amount by buying the more expensive and hopefully better players.

This is the crux of EVA(economic value added) which determines your credit rating and earnings potential. The larger your EVA, THE most important indicator financially as it incorporates every aspect of worth, the more attractive you are to banks(investors).

Who would Barclays want to invest in the most? The company with the larger EVA.

Arsenal are relatively risk free, which is great for pension fund managers, but pension fund managers also spread their betting by including businesses with a greater risk for a greater return. But is Chelsea and City really a greater risk? And the answer to that is how the business itself mitigates risk v success. Itigation includes selling, which Chelsea have done exceptionally well, unlike City.

Arsenal are the cuddly corner shop business and Chelsea are a Harrods. Corner shops ultimately become less successful than chains.

Arsenal have a choice, and have chosen to be conservative. Nothing wrong with that providing you're happy for moderate success.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

But what is the value of the club? If you buy 5 players at £50m you've increased the value of the club by £250m less the cost of purchase and the cost of salaries. If you buy 5 players at £100m each you've increased the value of the club by £500m less costs etc.

You've also bought 5 players that will increase your earnings by a greater amount by buying the more expensive and hopefully better players.

This is the crux of EVA(economic value added) which determines your credit rating and earnings potential. The larger your EVA, THE most important indicator financially as it incorporates every aspect of worth, the more attractive you are to banks(investors).

Who would Barclays want to invest in the most? The company with the larger EVA.

Arsenal are relatively risk free, which is great for pension fund managers, but pension fund managers also spread their betting by including businesses with a greater risk for a greater return. But is Chelsea and City really a greater risk? And the answer to that is how the business itself mitigates risk v success. Itigation includes selling, which Chelsea have done exceptionally well, unlike City.

Arsenal are the cuddly corner shop business and Chelsea are a Harrods. Corner shops ultimately become less successful than chains.

Arsenal have a choice, and have chosen to be conservative. Nothing wrong with that providing you're happy for moderate success.

I was being sarcastic

 

[Old Skier]

so bringing a lesser club doesn't prove anything.

4v5 or even 6th, not so much a lesser club really.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

4v5 or even 6th, not so much a lesser club really.

Sawtooths fall back is consitent top 4, have LPool matched that recently? No,
Looking at the table today is pointless.

 

[jp5]

With an exodus of top players maybe it would be better without the distraction of Europe all together and rebuild focusing solely on the PL and getting rid of the waste at the bottom of the squad and replace with some cream on the top, creating a solid spine for the team and getting a true, lead by example leader/captain in.

Yep, you can see the benefit that Chelsea have this year and Leicester had last by not playing midweek. Europa League would be the worst of both worlds!

Whoever comes in is going to have an almighty rebuilding job on their hands, could take a long time. You're right that we need to reinstate leaders in the team, something Wenger has been keen to avoid presumably to avoid any challenges to his power.

You can tell that the players are starting to get fed up now though. Many have woefully under achieved compared to their potential, obviously arent getting the coaching they need at the club. Just look at the difference in Ramsey and Wilshere for club vs country.

Can't see Sanchez staying, and players like Ox must be wondering if they can develop better elsewhere.

 

[sawtooth]

What book are you playing by? Is it some magical nirvana that doesn't exist? You have the richest man in Russia as your second biggest shareholder and you go on about sugar daddies!!!

You don't compete with Everton, your rivals are Chelsea and City, I'd be more than happy for Lukaku to go to another club so long as the money goes back in to the club and we move forward.
You are happy with mediocrity so long as you have a healthy bank balance.

I'd rather aim for the stars than stay on planet earth

We don't use any of their cash to buy success.

Explain how selling your most prized asset (20 goal plus a season) man is helping you to progress? Does your club have no ambition? Pay him what he wants and keep him, it's that simple . Right?

While you're at it add a few more like him in Summer then you might actually start getting somewhere.

Don't settle for mediocrity.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

We don't use any of their cash to buy success.

Explain how selling your most prized asset (20 goal plus a season) man is helping you to progress? Does your club have no ambition? Pay him what he wants and keep him, it's that simple . Right?

While you're at it add a few more like him in Summer then you might actually start getting somewhere.

Don't settle for mediocrity.

Were not, who's our major shareholder? Oh yes that's right the previous Arsenal bloke who got fed up of no ambition.

We will keep Lukaku and improve next season, how backwards have Arsenal gone when you're level with us.

So if you have Billionaires as major shareholders can you explain exactly what they are doing then? because if they're not spending their money they are simply taking your money out of the club.

 

[MegaSteve]

Arsenal have a choice, and have chosen to be conservative. Nothing wrong with that providing you're happy for moderate success.

My take on it is, that Arsenal have the benefit of two 'wealthy benefactors'... However, neither appears to be willing to open their wallet just in case the other might reap a reward... And, seemingly AW is ready to put up with their 'conservative' approach...


And finally, if I was still spending a lot of my money to be on the terraces week in week out I'd most probably be a lot more condemning of the way the club is being run...

 

[Pin-seeker]

Just seen the Stoke penalty decision,the ref's had a mare there.

 

[Pin-seeker]

If Utd win europa & finish outside the top 4 we'll have 5 clubs in the CL.
What happens if Utd win europa and finish top 4?

 

[Kellfire]

Looked like Gestese bit or tried to bite Bailly there. Could be an interesting one for the FA to sort.

 

[Kellfire]

If Utd win europa & finish outside the top 4 we'll have 5 clubs in the CL.
What happens if Utd win europa and finish top 4?

I don't think the CL spot transfers down.