And, we're off.....2016/17

[Deleted member 1740]

Then surely owners of any Club need to be honest with the fans, are they employing Klopp/Koeman with a 3-5yr plan were they are willing to back them so at the end of the plan they want to see success and is that success to be determined by Trophies or Spreadsheets.

I understand Rodgers had to go, but some of the criticism seems unfair, he got you's to within a few games of winning the PL, why was Suarez sold? It's ok saying he didn't go to a PL rival, but at the time was irreplaceable.

What criticism of Rodgers was unfair?

You really don't know why Suarez was sold?

The problem nowadays coaches are expected to make an instant transformation, I've read and heard that klopp should be doing better because he's had 3 transfer windows :rofl:

Guardiola has struggled at city and Mourinho has struggled and these are two of the very best in world football. Every game, every tackle, every sub,every incident gets over analysed and the media love a good scaremongering.

 

[fundy]

What criticism of Rodgers was unfair?

You really don't know why Suarez was sold?

The problem nowadays coaches are expected to make an instant transformation, I've read and heard that klopp should be doing better because he's had 3 transfer windows :rofl:

Guardiola has struggled at city and Mourinho has struggled and these are two of the very best in world football. Every game, every tackle, every sub,every incident gets over analysed and the media love a good scaremongering.

this thread worse than the media most of the time!

 

[Deleted member 1740]

this thread worse than the media most of the time!

What more do you expect from armchair glory hunters?

 

[sawtooth]

I would agree with a lot of your points if you had been a mid table team striving to join the big boys, but your not, you've been 2-3 players away at times so you'd be building over succesive seasons.

Would you be happy if from next season Arsenal won nothing but finished top 4 for the following 5 Seasons.

Top 4 isn't a trophy but it's no disgrace to finish 4th behind the likes of Chelsea, City and United is it really?

Perhaps Arsenal miss out this year but that would be the first time in 21 years. It would hurt but i certainly wouldn't be spitting my dummy out. i think would be incredibly disrespectful to Wenger to kick off when it's his first failure to do it.

The idiots on Arsenal TV don't know what's in store after Wenger. They think a new man will come in and win the league and CL, I don't think it will be like that. If Wenger is struggling to compete then the next managers coming in after will also struggle unless there is a very different attitude to spending.

And by that I mean spending owners money in Chelsea-esque proportions, not spending responsibly like Wenger has been doing.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Top 4 isn't a trophy but it's no disgrace to finish 4th behind the likes of Chelsea, City and United is it really?

Perhaps Arsenal miss out this year but that would be the first time in 21 years. It would hurt but i certainly wouldn't be spitting my dummy out. i think would be incredibly disrespectful to Wenger to kick off when it's his first failure to do it.

The idiots on Arsenal TV don't know what's in store after Wenger. They think a new man will come in and win the league and CL, I don't think it will be like that. If Wenger is struggling to compete then the next managers coming in after will also struggle unless there is a very different attitude to spending.

And by that I mean spending owners money in Chelsea-esque proportions, not spending responsibly like Wenger has been doing.

Or maybe Wengers Replacement would spen the money more wisely.
Maybe he wouldn't keep hold of so many bang average players in the hope that they come good.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

What criticism of Rodgers was unfair?

You really don't know why Suarez was sold?

The problem nowadays coaches are expected to make an instant transformation, I've read and heard that klopp should be doing better because he's had 3 transfer windows :rofl:

Guardiola has struggled at city and Mourinho has struggled and these are two of the very best in world football. Every game, every tackle, every sub,every incident gets over analysed and the media love a good scaremongering.

Were talking general terms here,

Rodgers was praised and was the answer to you's at one stage, certainly not a lot of criticism towards him from the majority of your fans that season, understandable the season after when it went south.

The point about Suarez is, you had him under a new contract, why didn't the owners show their intent and refuse to sell him? Unless there were things in the background I'm unaware of.

I agree coaches are unfairly expected to make instant transformation, hence my point about giving them time, and expectations should be realistic.

Hopefully at our age we can see past the media!

 

[Fish]

Great 2nd leg at the Bridge for the Chelsea Youth dispatching Spurs 7-1 so 9-2 over the 2 legs 👍

 

[sawtooth]

Or maybe Wengers Replacement would spen the money more wisely.
Maybe he wouldn't keep hold of so many bang average players in the hope that they come good.

Turning over players is very expensive business though isn't it. You bring someone in on a 4 year contract and decent salary it won't be cheap to get rid assuming someone else wants him. Bound to take a big hit just to offload him.

 

[fundy]

Turning over players is very expensive business though isn't it. You bring someone in on a 4 year contract and decent salary it won't be cheap to get rid assuming someone else wants him. Bound to take a big hit just to offload him.

keeping average players on greatly inflated salaries is a far far costlier business though!

 

[Pin-seeker]

Turning over players is very expensive business though isn't it. You bring someone in on a 4 year contract and decent salary it won't be cheap to get rid assuming someone else wants him. Bound to take a big hit just to offload him.

But Wenger seems happy to give these players new contracts.
Walcott & Ox are perfect examples.
Both decent players,but that's all they are.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Were talking general terms here,

ahh right

Rodgers was praised and was the answer to you's at one stage, certainly not a lot of criticism towards him from the majority of your fans that season, understandable the season after when it went south.

I was never sold on Rodgers and didn't agree on many things he done and said but I think he was sold down the river that summer. That said to save his own ass, he took a mighty dump on his assistant Colin pascoe the following summer.

The point about Suarez is, you had him under a new contract, why didn't the owners show their intent and refuse to sell him? Unless there were things in the background I'm unaware of.

that bite?? I thought the owners listened to outside influences and saw £££££££'s "profit" on their star "asset". I wanted him to stay.

I agree coaches are unfairly expected to make instant transformation, hence my point about giving them time, and expectations should be realistic.

Hopefully at our age we can see past the media!

We can, Its the loons that can't analyse a game for themselves and have to rely on what Carra, Henry,Souness,Wilkins or Neville have said after the match

I hate it.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Turning over players is very expensive business though isn't it. You bring someone in on a 4 year contract and decent salary it won't be cheap to get rid assuming someone else wants him. Bound to take a big hit just to offload him.

You'd think so wouldn't you. In the last 5 years Arsenal's nett transfer spend has been £206 million compared to Chelsea's £187 million.

Arsenal have Gibbs, Bellerin, Jenkinson, Mertesacker, Monreal, Koscielny, Coquelin, Ramsey, Cazorla, Giroud, Chamberlain, Walcott and Wilshere still on their books now who were also there in the 2012/13 season.

Chelsea have Ake, Azpilicueta, Cahill, Terry, Hazard, Moses and Luiz (who has been sold and returned).

So in the last 5 years Chelsea have a nett transfer spend of £19 million less than Arsenal yet have turned over more players than Arsenal in that time. And Chelsea have brought in players like Costa, Pedro, Willian, Fabregas, Matic, Kante, Courteois and Zouma in that time with a nett spend less than Arsenal. What's your next excuse?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

keeping average players on greatly inflated salaries is a far far costlier business though!

Game, Set and the Match :clap:

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Top 4 isn't a trophy but it's no disgrace to finish 4th behind the likes of Chelsea, City and United is it really?

Perhaps Arsenal miss out this year but that would be the first time in 21 years. It would hurt but i certainly wouldn't be spitting my dummy out. i think would be incredibly disrespectful to Wenger to kick off when it's his first failure to do it.

The idiots on Arsenal TV don't know what's in store after Wenger. They think a new man will come in and win the league and CL, I don't think it will be like that. If Wenger is struggling to compete then the next managers coming in after will also struggle unless there is a very different attitude to spending.

And by that I mean spending owners money in Chelsea-esque proportions, not spending responsibly like Wenger has been doing.

Why are they idiots? I think you're being very disrespectful to those lads who put a lot of hard yards in travelling around Europe supporting/watching their team and that costs a hell of a lot money to do that week in week out, while you and others slag them from the comfort of your armchair.

They have as much right to question the manager/players as any other fan has.

 

[jp5]

Wenger saying he's made his decision but won't tell anyone typifies the arrogance he runs the club with.

No-one expects Arsenal to go and win the PL CL double, but they do expect to be seeing progress.

I think the new manager could really struggle next year. Looks likely our best players will leave, left with many players not up to it on inflated salaries that other clubs won't match.

The time to go was at the end of the last contract. With the turbulence the big money teams have been through that was our chance to take advantage. Instead Leicester did.

Still we need a fresh approach, and may be a case of taking one step back to take two forward.

 

[sawtooth]

Why are they idiots? I think you're being very disrespectful to those lads who put a lot of hard yards in travelling around Europe supporting/watching their team and that costs a hell of a lot money to do that week in week out, while you and others slag them from the comfort of your armchair.

They have as much right to question the manager/players as any other fan has.

Right to question? Have you seen any of the rants and banners? Some of it is disgusting and it's not the way to go about things.

Wenger has given everything for the club in 21 years and does not deserve that. He has more money than he can spend so it's not about the money, he would go out of Arsenal in a box if he could and I have no time for those idiots.

 

[Fish]

Wenger saying he's made his decision but won't tell anyone typifies the arrogance he runs the club with.

No-one expects Arsenal to go and win the PL CL double, but they do expect to be seeing progress.

I think the new manager could really struggle next year. Looks likely our best players will leave, left with many players not up to it on inflated salaries that other clubs won't match.

The time to go was at the end of the last contract. With the turbulence the big money teams have been through that was our chance to take advantage. Instead Leicester did.

Still we need a fresh approach, and may be a case of taking one step back to take two forward.

With an exodus of top players maybe it would be better without the distraction of Europe all together and rebuild focusing solely on the PL and getting rid of the waste at the bottom of the squad and replace with some cream on the top, creating a solid spine for the team and getting a true, lead by example leader/captain in.

 

[Fish]

Right to question? Have you seen any of the rants and banners? Some of it is disgusting and it's not the way to go about things.

Wenger has given everything for the club in 21 years and does not deserve that. He has more money than he can spend so it's not about the money, he would go out of Arsenal in a box if he could and I have no time for those idiots.

You mean you'd be happy if he stayed because of the past even if he carries on the way he has lately and goes down with the sinking ship!

 

[sawtooth]

You mean you'd be happy if he stayed because of the past even if he carries on the way he has lately and goes down with the sinking ship!

If we miss top 4 this year and win nothing then he deserves a chance to put that right IMO. 1 miss in 21 years?!

I heard an Arsenal fan on the radio earlier close to tears not because of missing out on top 4 but facing the prospect of finishing below Spurs.

What a pathetic sod I thought. Has he already forgotten the past 20 years? Hating Wenger for letting it happen this year, really? What a disgrace and embarrassment to our club.

Yes I would be happy if he stayed.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Right to question? Have you seen any of the rants and banners? Some of it is disgusting and it's not the way to go about things.

Wenger has given everything for the club in 21 years and does not deserve that. He has more money than he can spend so it's not about the money, he would go out of Arsenal in a box if he could and I have no time for those idiots.

Say what you like about those lads, they deserve better. It must be easy sitting in an armchair typing on a keyboard.

I have seen them, I don't agree with them all but never the less they're entitled to vent their anger. I don't like to see "manager out" banners but to me it sounds like AW is holding that club back from progression. A new manager with fresh ideas, a few new face's will do no worse than what's currently being served up.

Do you think those fans deserve to watch spineless performances week in week out?