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And, we're off.....2016/17

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They have skill and technical ability, I don't doubt it, it's a lack of desire and belief.

Technical ability includes a good first touch, ability to turn, finding space when not in possession, passing under pressure. Which of this lot consistently displays any of those?

Our most gifted player is a centre-back for God's sake!
 
Technical ability includes a good first touch, ability to turn, finding space when not in possession, passing under pressure. Which of this lot consistently displays any of those?

Our most gifted player is a centre-back for God's sake!

Are you seriously saying no other player has the ability to do that, agreed it's sh1te tonight and on saturday but they are not that inept, that's why it's so frustrating!
 
Struggling to recall the last time England looked dangerous from a corner, anyone remember?

It doesn't help when the delivery is consistently poor.

Kane, Rooney and now Henderson; it makes no difference.
 
Are you seriously saying no other player has the ability to do that, agreed it's sh1te tonight and on saturday but they are not that inept, that's why it's so frustrating!

All I will say is that when you play with better players you are more likely to look decent, I know that was true in my case. The better my team-mates the better I was.

That is why these players often look better for their clubs but when they are all together for England they are revealed as what they are, bog average.
 
All I will say is that when you play with better players you are more likely to look decent, I know that was true in my case. The better my team-mates the better I was.

That is why these players often look better for their clubs but when they are all together for England they are revealed as what they are, bog average.
Even bog average should be able to do the basics and we're failing at that tonight.
 
Someone point out a positive please cos I'm switching over to great train rides or summat 

A great programme - great continental rail journeys.

A programme mixing great places, great trains and Michael Portillo modelling Lincoln quaker's summer collection - whats not to like?
 
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