And, we’re off.......2018/2019

[Kellfire]

Yes, of course they have discretion, Dr.Watson.

If it was THAT deliberate, why would he put his hand in the way of a ball hitting the top of the stand? Before you say it where the ball was going isnt the abaolute for if it is a penalty or not, I dont afree with Sawtooth.

To me, if his hand would havebeen above his head, out at a 45 degree angle or even a lesser angle - ok, I'd say it was a pen. BUT down by his side, and with his back turned away and not a "Hard arm" to me it was a dodgy one. Not 100% a pen and not 100% not a pen, but I dont think it was deliberate. I also think that defenders shouldnt have to massively pull their hands out of the way - the deliberate rule is fine, in the main, and other ways of doing it (especially the Lineker way, would be way worst).

A bit like the offside rule - the old wasnt good enough when a guy out on the wing could stop a goal being given, when a fellow player hits a 30 yard thunderbolt from the middle of the pitch, and he hasnt interfered with what went on before or after. The new rules with 2 phases of play, can also be a nightmare.

Ok so we disagree on his intent. Fair enough. I believe he left his body in a position where his arm would make him wider.

 

[Orikoru]

Think you need to buy a dictionary fella - deliberate/not intentional are direct opposites.

*Sigh*
I'm just telling you how the rule is written, and interpreted by referees.

HANDLING THE BALL

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.

The following must be considered:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)

So with regards to bullet point one, the arm being moved out away from his body (towards path of the ball) could be deemed a deliberate motion by the referee. For point two, the ball in this instance was struck from several yards away I think, so he could be deemed to have had enough time to not dangle his arm in the way.

The referee potentially deemed it 'deliberate' handball because of the points above.

At the same time, in the players own head, I don't think he intentionally thought "I'll go and block this with my arm". But he's fallen foul of the rules simply by jumping with his arm out, without thinking.

Do you understand now or do we have to keep discussing this?

 

[pokerjoke]

Someone above said Lukaku is a flat track bully. Which as you know I agree with.

It reminded me of the above stats that I heard on Tuesday.

Simple as that! It wasn’t meant to be in retort to anything - just putting it out there that stats don’t always show a full picture. I’d much rather have Salah in my team than Lukaku.

Not atm I wouldn’t
One with confidence scoring and creating goals,the other not.
Last year yes

 

[Orikoru]

Not atm I wouldn’t
One with confidence scoring and creating goals,the other not.
Last year yes

Only for the last week! Before that it was 9 games without a goal! I know a 'week is a long time in football' as the saying goes, but it's not long enough to make Lukaku the better player over Salah.

 

[pokerjoke]

Only for the last week! Before that it was 9 games without a goal! I know a 'week is a long time in football' as the saying goes, but it's not long enough to make Lukaku the better player over Salah.

Please show me where I said Lukaku was a better player.

God this place is hard work sometimes

 

[Orikoru]

Please show me where I said Lukaku was a better player.

God this place is hard work sometimes

Well you said you'd rather have Lukaku in your team than Salah. My extrapolation I figured you wouldn't pick a worse player.

 

[clubchamp98]

Not atm I wouldn’t
One with confidence scoring and creating goals,the other not.
Last year yes

The one thing I would say about Lukaku is when playing for Maureen he looked out os sorts .
Now for OGS he looks a different player in a different team.
So give him some time and he will score goals ,he’s the type of striker who defenders hate playing against if he gets the correct service.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Oil money is just evident in the two examples given as both were oil billionaires. I'd have thought you could work that out. If the porn guy at West ham would have done the same, god knows what banter would have been thrown at them.

The point is massive investment, sometimes 3 or 4 times what anyone else has ever done/can do - it turns it into not being a sport anymore. If thats what you want - go for your life.

But, again, it’s only LPool fans who mention it as directly affecting them, it affects everyone, is it fair on Cardiff that FSG chose LPool? Or Fulham that Moshiri chose Everton?

Who decides what investment is or is not allowed, these people buy clubs as a business and business’s make profits, look at the return the Arabs have made on City, they paid £200 Million for them, probably had that back 10 fold, surely investment in a Club has to better than the Glazers who have virtually raped Utd.

 

[pokerjoke]

Well you said you'd rather have Lukaku in your team than Salah. My extrapolation I figured you wouldn't pick a worse player.

ATM

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The one thing I would say about Lukaku is when playing for Maureen he looked out os sorts .
Now for OGS he looks a different player in a different team.
So give him some time and he will score goals ,he’s the type of striker who defenders hate playing against if he gets the correct service.

He is not a player who adapts well. However, as proved at West Brom and Everton, if you play to his strengths he will score goals. The daft thing is to buy a player like that and not feed them correctly.

 

[robinthehood]

Just watched the Pepe/Dzeko headbut, what an embarrassment.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1103409980496056320

 

[sawtooth]

But, again, it’s only LPool fans who mention it as directly affecting them, it affects everyone, is it fair on Cardiff that FSG chose LPool? Or Fulham that Moshiri chose Everton?

Who decides what investment is or is not allowed, these people buy clubs as a business and business’s make profits, look at the return the Arabs have made on City, they paid £200 Million for them, probably had that back 10 fold, surely investment in a Club has to better than the Glazers who have virtually raped Utd.

I severely doubt that the Arab owners have made any money on City, lost hundreds of millions more like it.

Any outside money is the wrong sort of finance it doesnt matter where it comes from.

Outside finance undoubtedly cost Wenger a few more PL titles, and it’s going to cost Liverpool this season, for a second time. 👍

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I severely doubt that the Arab owners have made any money on City, lost hundreds of millions more like it.

Any outside money is the wrong sort of finance it doesnt matter where it comes from.

Outside finance undoubtedly cost Wenger a few more PL titles, and it’s going to cost Liverpool this season, for a second time. 👍

Every penny is outside money in every Club.

Are Man City worth more or less than £200 million they paid for it?

Last year City became only the 2nd PL Club to pass £500 million in revenues.

Please show me a PL Club that hasn’t benefitted from outside finance.

 

[Papas1982]

I severely doubt that the Arab owners have made any money on City, lost hundreds of millions more like it.

Any outside money is the wrong sort of finance it doesnt matter where it comes from.

Outside finance undoubtedly cost Wenger a few more PL titles, and it’s going to cost Liverpool this season, for a second time. 👍

Once Chelsea got got their money. Remind me how many times arsenal finished 2nd. Or 3rd once city came in?

Top of my head I'm guessing zero. So in reality you'd just of had more 2nd places trophies instead of 4th..

**edit**

My mistake. You of course finished second behing those nasty oil tycoons from Leicester.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Not atm I wouldn’t
One with confidence scoring and creating goals,the other not.
Last year yes

So the player who has scored the 50 quickest goals in the history of the prem at one club, is a 1 season wonder (9 months), even though hes been here over 18 months?

 

[Liverbirdie]

*Sigh*
I'm just telling you how the rule is written, and interpreted by referees.

So with regards to bullet point one, the arm being moved out away from his body (towards path of the ball) could be deemed a deliberate motion by the referee. For point two, the ball in this instance was struck from several yards away I think, so he could be deemed to have had enough time to not dangle his arm in the way.

The referee potentially deemed it 'deliberate' handball because of the points above.

At the same time, in the players own head, I don't think he intentionally thought "I'll go and block this with my arm". But he's fallen foul of the rules simply by jumping with his arm out, without thinking.

Do you understand now or do we have to keep discussing this?

I'm tired, cant read all that.

 

[Liverbirdie]

But, again, it’s only LPool fans who mention it as directly affecting them, it affects everyone, is it fair on Cardiff that FSG chose LPool? Or Fulham that Moshiri chose Everton?

Who decides what investment is or is not allowed, these people buy clubs as a business and business’s make profits, look at the return the Arabs have made on City, they paid £200 Million for them, probably had that back 10 fold, surely investment in a Club has to better than the Glazers who have virtually raped Utd.

OMG more holes than swiss cheese in this argument.

Where is the overwhelming evidence that Liverpool fans have said it has only affected us and not Spurs, Arsenal, Everton and others also. Looking forward to that one.

Id actually go as far as to say that it has affected Arsenal not winning stuff more than us.

So you are saying that the Arabs have made 2 billion in profit out of City - wow. I dont know where to start.

 

[Orikoru]

Just watched the Pepe/Dzeko headbut, what an embarrassment.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1103409980496056320

What's happened there is, Pepe's breath is so bad that Dzeko has passed out. Has to be worth a yellow card for Pepe, or at least a couple of Tictacs.

 

[Orikoru]

I'm tired a scouser, cant read all that.

Fixed for you

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Every penny is outside money in every Club.

Are Man City worth more or less than £200 million they paid for it?

Last year City became only the 2nd PL Club to pass £500 million in revenues.

Please show me a PL Club that hasn’t benefitted from outside finance.

There are none that haven't, at one time or another, benefited from outside finance.

It appears to be scale that creates jealousy.