And, we’re off.......2018/2019

[Deleted member 15344]

Just watched the highlights and thats as clear a pen as you'll ever see. Thats the whole point of VAR, to pick these things up.

This is battenburgs take on it

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....6834/Mark-Clattenburg-Man-Utd-penalty-PSG/amp

 

[Deleted member 16999]

All this talk of “let’s hope all the English clubs get through” for me is rubbish.
Hope Liverpool and City get knocked out,and it’s obvious others do to.

One of the best European nights last night but let’s not get carried away,although now I don’t think anyone will scrape Utd.

Ole will get the job I don’t think the fans would except him not getting it.
He has got the players believing anything is possible.

After seeing the penalty incident again many times it’s a defo.
As for the Var taking 4 minutes Phil it’s no surprise.
As I understand it the game goes on until the Var ref contacts the ref.
He then stops play and goes over to watch the replay.
Goes back on the pitch and signals his decision.
Then he has to control the team who surround him( obvious under the circumstances).
Then he has to clear the area( during this time Rashford is taking pellets.
The Rashford takes an unbelievable penalty as if he at the training ground.
Thank god he’s English because he is quality.

Debated to death on here, love seeing English clubs in any sport do well on the international stage.
Raises the profile, raises morale (imo)
Genuinely don’t care which of the 4 win it, also respect, but don’t care, that others don’t want rivals to do well.

PS. Happy for all 4 clubs in CL go bankrupt tomorrow

 

[Slime]

Lukaku ............................... flat track bully?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Lukaku ............................... flat track bully?

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club...ku-goal-tally-vs-premier-leagues-big-6-is-low
His record against the top clubs isn’t exactly something you would see from a top striker - article is 18 months old now but in those months he hasn’t exactly improved on it

As I said he has all attributes to be outstanding and maybe someone like OGS is finding away to get it out of him

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If Everton ever reach the heady heights of meaningfully challenging for trophies, lets see if your as come-day go-day then.

You’ve spent over a Billion since the PL began, last time it was Chelsea, now it’s City, who next? Has Klopp been told he can’t buy anyone for financial reasons?
Why do you have to be challenging for trophies to make a difference, 50% or more of the PL couldn’t compete with LPool if City disappeared tomorrow, does that make LPool’s money and advantage ok?

As for Oil money, did LPool give the CL money to charity, after all it’s financed by GazProm and other dodgy firms, or is that money different?

 

[robinthehood]

This is battenburgs take on it

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....6834/Mark-Clattenburg-Man-Utd-penalty-PSG/amp

The ref+var = definite penalty. Clattenburg is irrelevant.

 

[pokerjoke]

The ref+var = definite penalty. Clattenburg is irrelevant.

Totally agree
If you read the whole article there manager says it’s 50/50

He also goes on to say they should never have been in that position.

 

[Kellfire]

Lukaku has more goals per minute in the Premier League this season than Salah.

Salah’s only league goal against a top team is a penalty against Arsenal.

Ah statistics. Weird things...

 

[pokerjoke]

Lukaku has more goals per minute in the Premier League this season than Salah.

Salah’s only league goal against a top team is a penalty against Arsenal.

Ah statistics. Weird things...

That’s not statistics,that’s the truth.
Liverpool fans won’t have it that he’s a one season wonder.
Seriously needed now on the run in,let’s see how it goes.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Lukaku has more goals per minute in the Premier League this season than Salah.

Salah’s only league goal against a top team is a penalty against Arsenal.

Ah statistics. Weird things...

What does Salah have to do with Lukaku’s record against Top 6 ?

Salah is a wide player who has done alright since he arrived in the Prem for half the price of Lukaku , being called a one season wonder yet been crucial all season so far sitting second in the goal scoring charts ?

So is it easier to try and deflect as opposed to tackle the point that was made ?

 

[Kellfire]

What does Salah have to do with Lukaku’s record against Top 6 ?

Salah is a wide player who has done alright since he arrived in the Prem for half the price of Lukaku , being called a one season wonder yet been crucial all season so far sitting second in the goal scoring charts ?

So is it easier to try and deflect as opposed to tackle the point that was made ?

Someone above said Lukaku is a flat track bully. Which as you know I agree with.

It reminded me of the above stats that I heard on Tuesday.

Simple as that! It wasn’t meant to be in retort to anything - just putting it out there that stats don’t always show a full picture. I’d much rather have Salah in my team than Lukaku.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

That’s not statistics,that’s the truth.
Liverpool fans won’t have it that he’s a one season wonder.
Seriously needed now on the run in,let’s see how it goes.

He looked distinctly short of confidence at the weekend. That one on one he had he'd have buried last year but a the moment seems to want an extra (often poor) touch and not taking the opportunities when presented. However like most strikers when he gets another, I can see the floodgates opening again. Not sure I'd go as far as saying he's a one season wonder but I do agree he hasn't reached the heights of last year

 

[clubchamp98]

Yeah I know those are the rules Homer but I am questioning why free kicks and pens are given automatically without evaluating the whole situation. Common sense and fairness should play into decisions especially when you can slow things down and analyse carefully with VAR.

The ref did analysis it carefully and in his opinion it was a pen.
He missed it in real time and was told by VAR to have a look so he did.
It’s his call on the night.

If that’s Salah shooting it’s a pen.
If it’s VVD defending it’s never a pen .
That’s just how fans see things.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I’m sure you know that referees have discretion to determine what is deliberate. In this case he clearly keeps his arms out to make his body wider - so he’s deliberately using his arms to help stop the ball. Absolutely clear cut.

Yes, of course they have discretion, Dr.Watson.

If it was THAT deliberate, why would he put his hand in the way of a ball hitting the top of the stand? Before you say it - where the ball was going isnt the absolute for if it is a penalty or not, I dont agree with Sawtooth.

To me, if his hand would havebeen above his head, out at a 45 degree angle or even a lesser angle - ok, I'd say it was a pen. BUT down by his side, and with his back turned away and not a "Hard arm" to me it was a dodgy one. Not 100% a pen and not 100% not a pen, but I dont think it was deliberate. I also think that defenders shouldnt have to massively pull their hands out of the way - the deliberate rule is fine, in the main, and other ways of doing it (especially the Lineker way, would be way worst).

A bit like the offside rule - the old wasnt good enough when a guy out on the wing could stop a goal being given, when a fellow player hits a 30 yard thunderbolt from the middle of the pitch, and he hasnt interfered with what went on before or after. The new rules with 2 phases of play, can also be a nightmare.

 

[Liverbirdie]

If you know and understand the hand ball rule then you'd know that was a penalty last night. As he jumps to block his arm is out away from his body, so that's considered a deliberate motion to block it with the arm. He's unlucky because I don't think he's intended to do it, but it is a penalty.

Eh?

You say the rule is for deliberate handball, then say you dont think he intended to do it, so its a penalty.

Wow.

 

[Liverbirdie]

You’ve spent over a Billion since the PL began, last time it was Chelsea, now it’s City, who next? Has Klopp been told he can’t buy anyone for financial reasons?
Why do you have to be challenging for trophies to make a difference, 50% or more of the PL couldn’t compete with LPool if City disappeared tomorrow, does that make LPool’s money and advantage ok?

As for Oil money, did LPool give the CL money to charity, after all it’s financed by GazProm and other dodgy firms, or is that money different?

If City and Chelsea werent given their leg-ups, the likes of Everton, Spurs, Newcastle maybe even Vila probably would have had many years of CL qualifications. Bigger support bases, larger grounds, more exposure worldwide, bigger kit contracts, and they arent a million miles behind Liverpool, so yes it would have been a tighter spread of money.

1 billion over 27 years is one thing - 1 billion over 5-10 years is a totally different matter.

 

[Orikoru]

Eh?

You say the rule is for deliberate handball, then say you dont think he intended to do it, so its a penalty.

Wow.

Deliberate is the word used in the rules. It simply means your arm is out away from your body, so you made a deliberate motion to put it there in their definition. By not intending it I meant he didn't literally think "I'm going to go and block that with my arm". Quite an obvious distinction if, again, you know anything about the rules.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If City and Chelsea werent given their leg-ups, the likes of Everton, Spurs, Newcastle maybe even Vila probably would have had many years of CL qualifications. Bigger support bases, larger grounds, more exposure worldwide, bigger kit contracts, and they arent a million miles behind Liverpool, so yes it would have been a tighter spread of money.

1 billion over 27 years is one thing - 1 billion over 5-10 years is a totally different matter.

But it’s happened and effects everyone equally, unfortunately it’s some LPool fans who are in the main, the only ones who mention it.
I suspect you would reconsider your season ticket if Arabs took over LPool, 99% wouldn’t.
I really don’t get this “Oil money bad” “other money good”

Chelsea weren’t a million miles away when Abramovich came in. Utd spent years struggling to win the 1st Division, it waxes and wanes.

There will never be a level playing field in any sport when so much money is at stake.

Football has sadly changed forever and I await the next foreigner to come along and sweep the next Chelsea/City up.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Deliberate is the word used in the rules. It simply means your arm is out away from your body, so you made a deliberate motion to put it there in their definition. By not intending it I meant he didn't literally think "I'm going to go and block that with my arm". Quite an obvious distinction if, again, you know anything about the rules.

Think you need to buy a dictionary fella - deliberate/not intentional are direct opposites.

 

[Liverbirdie]

But it’s happened and effects everyone equally, unfortunately it’s some LPool fans who are in the main, the only ones who mention it.
I suspect you would reconsider your season ticket if Arabs took over LPool, 99% wouldn’t.
I really don’t get this “Oil money bad” “other money good”

Chelsea weren’t a million miles away when Abramovich came in. Utd spent years struggling to win the 1st Division, it waxes and wanes.

There will never be a level playing field in any sport when so much money is at stake.

Football has sadly changed forever and I await the next foreigner to come along and sweep the next Chelsea/City up.

Oil money is just evident in the two examples given as both were oil billionaires. I'd have thought you could work that out. If the porn guy at West ham would have done the same, god knows what banter would have been thrown at them.

The point is massive investment, sometimes 3 or 4 times what anyone else has ever done/can do - it turns it into not being a sport anymore. If thats what you want - go for your life.