American golf double value trade in

[MendieGK]

I had no issue with the first part of your post as it didn't seem like needless profiteering but seriously we wonder why so many companies (in all industries) are being driven out of business when acts like the rest of your post are happening. Not something I would be personally be proud of plastering over a forum.

Lets just all use the "pull the ladder up jack" idea screw over american golf and land thousands out of a job. Your playing golf a first world luxury and you go through all that to earn £137.

I seriously disagree with this post.

If a company as large as American Golf has a flawed promotion then i don't see why someone shouldn't take advantage of it. Its called being opportunistic.

American Golf are not losing money through this promotion.

 

[Papas1982]

I seriously disagree with this post.

If a company as large as American Golf has a flawed promotion then i don't see why someone shouldn't take advantage of it. Its called being opportunistic.

American Golf are not losing money through this promotion.

I think its the final part that's a little hard for some to stomach.

I've sold plenty on, but going in and lying about a situation to get cash vouchers, isn't opportunistic.

 

[drewster]

I seriously disagree with this post.

If a company as large as American Golf has a flawed promotion then i don't see why someone shouldn't take advantage of it. Its called being opportunistic.

American Golf are not losing money through this promotion.

Can't help but agree, i have no sympathy with American Golf at all . They have "screwed over" the general public and your average golf pro for years . I'm sure there's a method behind their madness but it the meantime why shouldn't folk "make hay while the sun shines"

 

[LCW]

I seriously disagree with this post.

If a company as large as American Golf has a flawed promotion then i don't see why someone shouldn't take advantage of it. Its called being opportunistic.

American Golf are not losing money through this promotion.

Appreciate your opinion but I completely disagree with it as well.

They have done a promotion to try and drum up business for themselves and for customers where both people win. AG get footfall and probably used these promotions to earn good attachment rates on products they may make some money off. I.E they may lose on some irons you get in the trade in but made some cash on balls bags etc you pick up at the same time for an example. I have no issue with someone using an old set of clubs (even getting them on ebay) and making a "profit" to get themselves so new bats. No issue at all.

My issue is going into another store within the AG golf family and using deceit which is exactly what it is to obtain a voucher (he would never normally have got) which is then being sold on. He openly said he made up some story about his dad to do this and IMO it does not sit right with me. He put it on a public forum, i disagree and am calling him out on it. If we all took this attitude then our businesses would be doomed.

Not going to get into a bitch fest really was just adding my 2p. Situations like this always remind me of a C.S Lewis quote “Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.” I don't think this is the right thing to do but if he does then there is not a lot more can be said.

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I think its the final part that's a little hard for some to stomach.

I've sold plenty on, but going in and lying about a situation to get cash vouchers, isn't opportunistic.

This is the part I was getting at not the use of the trade in system

 

[MendieGK]

Appreciate your opinion but I completely disagree with it as well.

They have done a promotion to try and drum up business for themselves and for customers where both people win. AG get footfall and probably used these promotions to earn good attachment rates on products they may make some money off. I.E they may lose on some irons you get in the trade in but made some cash on balls bags etc you pick up at the same time for an example. I have no issue with someone using an old set of clubs (even getting them on ebay) and making a "profit" to get themselves so new bats. No issue at all.

My issue is going into another store within the AG golf family and using deceit which is exactly what it is to obtain a voucher (he would never normally have got) which is then being sold on. He openly said he made up some story about his dad to do this and IMO it does not sit right with me. He put it on a public forum, i disagree and am calling him out on it. If we all took this attitude then our businesses would be doomed.

Not going to get into a bitch fest really was just adding my 2p. Situations like this always remind me of a C.S Lewis quote “Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.” I don't think this is the right thing to do but if he does then there is not a lot more can be said.

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This is the part I was getting at not the use of the trade in system

Ok, then we are borderline in agreement.

My only thought would be - do it really make a difference? getting a voucher and selling it on is no different to getting a club and selling it on (which you say you dont really have an issue with)? AG still get the same business - although i except the voucher might be used for stuff other than clubs.

Put it this way, if AG open up the offer to stuff other than clubs, i will be buying Pro V1s at an astronomical rate and selling them on the cheap. But i wont be trying to manipulate the offer

 

[road2ruin]

Just a few things to bear in mind (in my opinion)......

1. AG seem to have extended the deal so they can't feel that they're losing out too badly. The original deal was for 'this month' so they could have withdrawn in any time within the last few months.
2. There is an active poster on the forum who works for AG who (I imagine) will have seen this thread and yet the deal still continues so those making the effort to buy off eBay etc etc are in the minority and they don't really care.

From a personal point of view I don't necessarily agree with the dishonesty of going in and making up a story however it wasn't like money was given back to the poster, it was a voucher that will be spent in store anyway. I don't agree that AG are being screwed over at all, they're happy to keep the offer going and if people can make it work for them then why not!

 

[chrisd]

Has anyone had to return a product and what are your options? I traded in some irons and bought a Ping G hybrid, but have since bought a second hand set of irons with the exact same hybrid included. The AG one is still in the wrapper so shouldn't be a problem just wondered if I would need to buy an alternative club, or if you can get a voucher? If you do get a voucher how do they restrict it to use it against clubs only?

I traded in a driver/vouchers/cash for a Ping Crossover and when I got home I didn't like it, i took it back under the 30 day money back guarantee and could have had my money back but chose to take a hybrid instead at the same value - no problem at all

 

[glynntaylor]

Has nobody seen Peter Finch's video on this?....He also disagrees with the whole situation in that its killing the local PGA shops and will eventually be a vicious circle.

Yes...I have taken advantage of the offer...but lying to take advantage of the situation is taking the Michael in my opinion. No wonder the country is such disarray!

 

[Papas1982]

Has nobody seen Peter Finch's video on this?....He also disagrees with the whole situation in that its killing the local PGA shops and will eventually be a vicious circle.

Yes...I have taken advantage of the offer...but lying to take advantage of the situation is taking the Michael in my opinion. No wonder the country is such disarray!

I don't have too much sympathy for the club pros/ Unfortunately i meet far too many now that aren't interested in any sort of service and their prices are usually a Lot more than AG.

Most of us don't go to our local farmer for meats and dairies these days and yet somehow feel obliged to help our a club pro?.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I don't have too much sympathy for the club pros/ Unfortunately i meet far too many now that aren't interested in any sort of service and their prices are usually a Lot more than AG.

Most of us don't go to our local farmer for meats and dairies these days and yet somehow feel obliged to help our a club pro?.

Maybe I've been lucky, last club the pro would ask what I'd seen it at and where and would either match it or get close. Usually got the business even if he couldn't match it as it was worth it for the service he provided over the bother of sending anything back yourself.

Just had a Mizuno fit with the pro at the current club, no charge, and he is as good as matching AG's price on the irons (he's 50p per iron more expensive for 7) plus will get me a half price wedge with an iron set.

I wonder how many give their pro a chance?

 

[Papas1982]

Maybe I've been lucky, last club the pro would ask what I'd seen it at and where and would either match it or get close. Usually got the business even if he couldn't match it as it was worth it for the service he provided over the bother of sending anything back yourself.

Just had a Mizuno fit with the pro at the current club, no charge, and he is as good as matching AG's price on the irons (he's 50p per iron more expensive for 7) plus will get me a half price wedge with an iron set.

I wonder how many give their pro a chance?

It's all well them matching a price, but their initial prices far exceed ag on most occasions, i look around for the best deals and some pros have matched occasionally. But if they're willing to start high hoping to take advantage of people to sh or naive to ask then i feel no guilt not using them.

 

[Fish]

I understand the sentiment of supporting your Pro and/or their assistants, but it has to be a two-way street!

I see some Pro's in the same light as a landlord, always moaning about something or someone and yet are doing pretty well for themselves, in most cases.

Pro's for me should be able to very easily match AG or the main online stores as quite simply they don't have the overheads of rent, rates, utility bills etc, as such, there margins on items they have to pay a little more for should equal out, and let's be honest, how many declare their lessons to the tax man, all in lovely cash :mmm:

I don't subscribe to the 'hard done by' Pro, you make your business work for you, they've got a captive audience in the membership and it's up to them to know what they want and what their buying from elsewhere, and more importantly know why, how many times do you get asked what you've bought recently by your Pro and why, I'd say never!

I buy items from mine and I've spent a lot of money with him this last year, but I'd never buy from him exclusively, I think many of them have it easy, sometimes that easy they don't get off their backsides and go that extra mile for you and sometimes it comes across as too much trouble for them, well sunshine, you only get out what you put in.....

 

[Papas1982]

I understand the sentiment of supporting your Pro and/or their assistants, but it has to be a two-way street!

I see some Pro's in the same light as a landlord, always moaning about something or someone and yet are doing pretty well for themselves, in most cases.

Pro's for me should be able to very easily match AG or the main online stores as quite simply they don't have the overheads of rent, rates, utility bills etc, as such, there margins on items they have to pay a little more for should equal out, and let's be honest, how many declare their lessons to the tax man, all in lovely cash :mmm:

I don't subscribe to the 'hard done by' Pro, you make your business work for you, they've got a captive audience in the membership and it's up to them to know what they want and what their buying from elsewhere, and more importantly know why, how many times do you get asked what you've bought recently by your Pro and why, I'd say never!

I buy items from mine and I've spent a lot of money with him this last year, but I'd never buy from him exclusively, I think many of them have it easy, sometimes that easy they don't get off their backsides and go that extra mile for you and sometimes it comes across as too much trouble for them, well sunshine, you only get out what you put in.....

exactly!

 

[chrisd]

Maybe I've been lucky, last club the pro would ask what I'd seen it at and where and would either match it or get close. Usually got the business even if he couldn't match it as it was worth it for the service he provided over the bother of sending anything back yourself.

Just had a Mizuno fit with the pro at the current club, no charge, and he is as good as matching AG's price on the irons (he's 50p per iron more expensive for 7) plus will get me a half price wedge with an iron set.

I wonder how many give their pro a chance?

Our Pro will match AG - I guess the double trade in has rather stuffed him though

 

[glynntaylor]

This is exactly what Finch is saying!

Most shops could price match AG however not on this planet do trade in let alone double the value. Therefore pros are shifting the stock. Take the new TM... Many have prob got loads of old stock to shift before even takining in the 2017 new product. This stock may have sold if it wasn't for the AG offer.

 

[Blue in Munich]

It's all well them matching a price, but their initial prices far exceed ag on most occasions, i look around for the best deals and some pros have matched occasionally. But if they're willing to start high hoping to take advantage of people to sh or naive to ask then i feel no guilt not using them.

Except that his initial quote was the 50p per club higher one and he's offered me a deal on a wedge that I've never seen at AG. Oh, and that price is with an upgraded shaft that I'm not seeing at AG.

I understand the sentiment of supporting your Pro and/or their assistants, but it has to be a two-way street!

I see some Pro's in the same light as a landlord, always moaning about something or someone and yet are doing pretty well for themselves, in most cases.

Pro's for me should be able to very easily match AG or the main online stores as quite simply they don't have the overheads of rent, rates, utility bills etc, as such, there margins on items they have to pay a little more for should equal out, and let's be honest, how many declare their lessons to the tax man, all in lovely cash :mmm:

I don't subscribe to the 'hard done by' Pro, you make your business work for you, they've got a captive audience in the membership and it's up to them to know what they want and what their buying from elsewhere, and more importantly know why, how many times do you get asked what you've bought recently by your Pro and why, I'd say never!

I buy items from mine and I've spent a lot of money with him this last year, but I'd never buy from him exclusively, I think many of them have it easy, sometimes that easy they don't get off their backsides and go that extra mile for you and sometimes it comes across as too much trouble for them, well sunshine, you only get out what you put in.....

Indeed; unfortunately too many members see it as a one-way street in my experience.

 

[Papas1982]

Except that his initial quote was the 50p per club higher one and he's offered me a deal on a wedge that I've never seen at AG. Oh, and that price is with an upgraded shaft that I'm not seeing at AG.

I wasnt going by your example, i wouldnt haggle over 50p a club lol.

Its more the essentionals that i think they take the mickey with, most the clubs i've played at, they'll charged considerably more than ag for balls and gloves as they know hey have you over a barrell if they are what you need.

Not all of them of course, just like not all ag staff are pushy and clueless. But simply in my experience they're havent been enough good pro's to win me over.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Has nobody seen Peter Finch's video on this?....He also disagrees with the whole situation in that its killing the local PGA shops and will eventually be a vicious circle.

Yes...I have taken advantage of the offer...but lying to take advantage of the situation is taking the Michael in my opinion. No wonder the country is such disarray!

I saw it and agreed with him totally. I was lucky that my old pro was excellent at price matching and doing deals although I was perhaps lucky that I've known him years outside of golf and so that probably helped. I've not had much cash spare to spend with the new pro we have so can't say whether he'll do a deal or not.

 

[PJ87]

Has nobody seen Peter Finch's video on this?....He also disagrees with the whole situation in that its killing the local PGA shops and will eventually be a vicious circle.

Yes...I have taken advantage of the offer...but lying to take advantage of the situation is taking the Michael in my opinion. No wonder the country is such disarray!

isnt taking advantage of the offer in the first place (i.e selling clubs that were purchased off ebay) not taking the michael? I have to admit I felt awful afterwards but glad to get rid of the clubs. should never have done it. when I got the clubs off ebay I took them to the shop and had to lie to even get the clubs I wanted (well come up with an excuse) as the guy goes "didnt you buy new irons only a month ago?" so felt like I had to justify this incase they went nope mate not a chance your not selling us these

so the whole situation whilst making a bit of profit hasnt left the best of tastes in the mouth and I wont be going back on ebay to buy any more clubs personally as the hassle and dishonesty from me made me feel bad. I felt like I had to fib , not in order to get the voucher as they would have given it anyways just to avoid the awkwardness.

not my finest hour I will admit but least the mrs is happy. didn't loose face with her as I didn't loose money but lost a lot of dignity and respect for myself personally.

on a side note the manager did remark when authorising the refund on behalf of the sales guy "dont worry we will get the money back when he spends the voucher.. swings and roundabouts"

ive used the offer 3 times in total. twice was as the offer is intended . to buy new clubs for personal use and that felt good. like ive said the 3rd time I'm not overly proud of

 

[Papas1982]

isnt taking advantage of the offer in the first place (i.e selling clubs that were purchased off ebay) not taking the michael? I have to admit I felt awful afterwards but glad to get rid of the clubs. should never have done it. when I got the clubs off ebay I took them to the shop and had to lie to even get the clubs I wanted (well come up with an excuse) as the guy goes "didnt you buy new irons only a month ago?" so felt like I had to justify this incase they went nope mate not a chance your not selling us these

so the whole situation whilst making a bit of profit hasnt left the best of tastes in the mouth and I wont be going back on ebay to buy any more clubs personally as the hassle and dishonesty from me made me feel bad. I felt like I had to fib , not in order to get the voucher as they would have given it anyways just to avoid the awkwardness.

not my finest hour I will admit but least the mrs is happy. didn't loose face with her as I didn't loose money but lost a lot of dignity and respect for myself personally.

on a side note the manager did remark when authorising the refund on behalf of the sales guy "dont worry we will get the money back when he spends the voucher.. swings and roundabouts"

ive used the offer 3 times in total. twice was as the offer is intended . to buy new clubs for personal use and that felt good. like ive said the 3rd time I'm not overly proud of

I wouldnt beat yourself up mate. Re the white lie to get the voucher, maybe not the greatest thing in the world, but wont hurt anyone. I've sold loads of clubs, athough my local ag have never complained when i've taken sets in for exchange. Anyine buying the clubs from you online is also getting a good price on new goods, so i dont lose sleep over that.'