American Football fans.

Liverpoolphil said:
So one pundit - what about all the others that have the opposite view ?
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OK I'll add Kenny Albert, Darryl Johnston and Tony Siragusa. Spoke to them all at some length at Pennyhill Park when the Bucs were over in 2011 and they all were in total agreement that a franchise would never work and all the players they had spoken to agreed.

Then I'll add Woody Paige of the Denver Post and Around the Horn. Did an interview with him during the 2010 game and he was of the same opinion and he had the Broncos' GM John Elway on that too.

For the Miami Dolphins, former TE and current media broadcaster Joe Rose. Had dinner with him at Wembley and he and the rest of the Miami press didn't see it working either.
 
Paul_Stewart said:
OK I'll add Kenny Albert, Darryl Johnston and Tony Siragusa. Spoke to them all at some length at Pennyhill Park when the Bucs were over in 2011 and they all were in total agreement that a franchise would never work and all the players they had spoken to agreed.

Then I'll add Woody Paige of the Denver Post and Around the Horn. Did an interview with him during the 2010 game and he was of the same opinion and he had the Broncos' GM John Elway on that too.

For the Miami Dolphins, former TE and current media broadcaster Joe Rose. Had dinner with him at Wembley and he and the rest of the Miami press didn't see it working either.
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Once these no-marks know that the all knowing prophet Liverpoolphil disagrees they will see the error of their ways :rofl:
 
Paul_Stewart said:
OK I'll add Kenny Albert, Darryl Johnston and Tony Siragusa. Spoke to them all at some length at Pennyhill Park when the Bucs were over in 2011 and they all were in total agreement that a franchise would never work and all the players they had spoken to agreed.

Then I'll add Woody Paige of the Denver Post and Around the Horn. Did an interview with him during the 2010 game and he was of the same opinion and he had the Broncos' GM John Elway on that too.

For the Miami Dolphins, former TE and current media broadcaster Joe Rose. Had dinner with him at Wembley and he and the rest of the Miami press didn't see it working either.
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Going back a few years isn't it - since then the NFl games in London have gone from strength to strength

There will be split opinions in the NFL about it - just as there were when the league was expanded

It appears Miami can't wait to come back again - so the actions are speaking louder right now
 
NWJocko said:
Once these no-marks know that the all knowing prophet Liverpoolphil disagrees they will see the error of their ways :rofl:
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Spot on mate - I keep forgetting that although I've spoken and worked with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell in the past, LiverpoolPhil knows more about the NFL in this country than anyone else around.
 
Paul_Stewart said:
Spot on mate - I keep forgetting that although I've spoken and worked with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell in the past, LiverpoolPhil knows more about the NFL in this country than anyone else around.
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I don't get this attitude. It's all about opinions here as no-one (irrespective of past employment or NFL contacts) knows what will happen. Phil has the opinion that he thinks an NFL franchise will happen, Paul says no. There's no right or wrong here.
 
Paul_Stewart said:
Spot on mate - I keep forgetting that although I've spoken and worked with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell in the past, LiverpoolPhil knows more about the NFL in this country than anyone else around.
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And what job do you now fulfill within the decision making in regards NFL franchise in London ? What part have you played in any decision making in regards NFL london ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Excellent input to the thread :thup:
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Sorry Phil, just let me know when humour is allowed again :thup:

My view, I'm not sure the success of the games at Wembley is necessarily indicative of success for a new franchise.

A lot of people on the UK are already "fans" of the existing team, starting something from scratch here is not as easy as in the US where a franchise moves as the game is so deep rooted there.

Can I see it happening? yes. Would it be a success and/or long lived? Not so sure.

I hope this fulfils the Liverpoolphil posting criteria to your satisfaction
 
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NWJocko said:
Sorry Phil, just let me know when humour is allowed again :thup:
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yes sorry forgot it wasn't cheap digs you were looking for it's called "humour" - next time I'll make sure I'll laugh
 
Piece said:
This I agree with. Overcoming the obstacles to get a franchise started in the UK can be done but sustaining a high-level of interest once here is another matter.
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I didn't follow the old NFL Europe too closely, was that popular at the start?

That's the biggest challenge in my view, particularly if the team isn't successful for a few years will the interest still be there?

The current few games are so popular as they are relatively rare opportunities to sample the whole NFL atmosphere.

If it's on offer every other week you really need a hardcore of fans (and a large one to fill Wembley) to make it sustainable. Not sure if that support is or would be there.
 
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Phil touched briefly on the tax issue, that could be the deciding factor on whether we'd see a permanent team here. It's all well giving sports stars a tax exemption for odd events but giving a team a permanent exemption would open a whole can of worms for other sports
 
NWJocko said:
I didn't follow the old NFL Europe too closely, was that popular at the start?

That's the biggest challenge in my view, particularly if the team isn't successful for a few years will the interest still be there?

The current few games are so popular as they are relatively rare opportunities to sample the whole NFL atmosphere.

If it's on offer every other week you really need a hardcore of fans (and a large one to fill Wembley) to make it sustainable. Not sure if that support is or would be there.
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I didn't really follow WLAF/NFL Europe etc. as it wasn't real NFL like we see now with the International Series. It seemed fairly popular in the UK with the London Monarchs initially (61k at Wembley in 1991) but from memory there was no US appetite, as it gave the impression the league was full of cast-offs. Attendances dropped off sharply. It tried to reinvent itself several times with new franchises popping up over Europe, but they didn't last.

As for UK fan-base, it's chicken and egg. There needs to be a UK NFL team to get the fan-base, but we don't know if there's a fan-base until there's a UK team :D. I could see a UK fan base happening if (for example) the 49ers move to London...not that that would happen!
 
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Val said:
Phil touched briefly on the tax issue, that could be the deciding factor on whether we'd see a permanent team here. It's all well giving sports stars a tax exemption for odd events but giving a team a permanent exemption would open a whole can of worms for other sports
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Only suggestions I'm reports but Deloitte reports showed the games last year earned £32mil - when going to 4 games £58mil

Their report suggests it could be over £100mil each year ( if a regular season ) and the government will use that to allow tax breaks

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-Government-prepares-to-offer-tax-breaks.html
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
Only suggestions I'm reports but Deloitte reports showed the games this year will earn £58mil for the UK

Their report suggests it could be over £100mil each year and the government will use that to allow tax breaks
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Have I missed the point (and apologies if I have) but are you saying these three games in the UK this season are going to generate 58million. Really. And how does that breakdown. Really can't believe those numbers without some proof
 
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Have I missed the point (and apologies if I have) but are you saying these three games in the UK this season are going to generate 58million. Really. And how does that breakdown. Really can't believe those numbers without some proof
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The report I read said £32M from last year, rising to £58M in 2016, IF there's four games.
 
Piece said:
The report I read said £32M from last year, rising to £58M in 2016, IF there's four games.
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Just re read the report in the Independant and corrected my post including the link

First report I read was a bit misleading
 
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