2019 Cricket

[fundy]

So Faf has stood down as Saffer captain and it looks as though they are going to make de kock captain in all 3 formats

crazy crazy decision, the workload theyre heaping onto their best player just ludicrous. captain, keeper and open in white ball and bat 4 in red ball cricket! how long before they break him?

 

[sussexhacker]

It doesn’t affect everyone the same way
Look what the captaincy did to him in this t20 series and look what it does to the likes of Williamson and kohli
The best players raise their game when they get made captain

 

[HomerJSimpson]

So Faf has stood down as Saffer captain and it looks as though they are going to make de kock captain in all 3 formats

crazy crazy decision, the workload theyre heaping onto their best player just ludicrous. captain, keeper and open in white ball and bat 4 in red ball cricket! how long before they break him?

Been plenty of good keeper/captains and from that position you can see what's happening with the pitch. I am sure he'll get help from senior players if he needed it

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Been plenty of good keeper/captains and from that position you can see what's happening with the pitch. I am sure he'll get help from senior players if he needed it

I'm not a fan of keeper / captains. The captain has to be constantly thinking about the game, bowling options, fielding positions. It is very difficult for them to switch off. The keeper is involved every single ball and has to concentrate on that above all else. Give them the captaincy and catches will go down as you can't do both to your fullest ability. Have them as the VC, get their opinions as they see all, but allow them to concentrate on catching the ball first off.

I have no problem in anyone listing succesful w/k captains but I still maintain they are best left to do their own thing. Being a keeper in mentally tiring enough.

 

[sussexhacker]

I'm not a fan of keeper / captains. The captain has to be constantly thinking about the game, bowling options, fielding positions. It is very difficult for them to switch off. The keeper is involved every single ball and has to concentrate on that above all else. Give them the captaincy and catches will go down as you can't do both to your fullest ability

Very much disagree with this

Think about some of the wicketkeeper batsmen Captains you’ve had that were very good at all 3 at the same time

Adam Gilchrist
Kumar sangakarra
Brendon mccullum
MS Dhoni

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Very much disagree with this

Think about some of the wicketkeeper batsmen Captains you’ve had that were very good at all 3 at the same time

Adam Gilchrist
Kumar sangakarra
Brendon mccullum
MS Dhoni

World class cricketers but that doesn't make my point wrong. Captaining a team and wicket keeping are both mentally draining and can conflict with each other. I'd rather they were done by separate people still.

 

[sussexhacker]

But what if the best mind for captaining happened to be the keeper

We’ve seen what good captains do for teams as opposed to average ones and if the best mind for those decisions happens to be the keeper as it will likely be soon for England with Buttler in white ball then what’s to say they can’t do the job?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

But what if the best mind for captaining happened to be the keeper

We’ve seen what good captains do for teams as opposed to average ones and if the best mind for those decisions happens to be the keeper as it will likely be soon for England with Buttler in white ball then what’s to say they can’t do the job?

I'm probably thinking more of Test cricket where your endurance is stretched. One day stuff is wham bam, less taxing. I wouldn't have Buttler in the test team, never mind as captain but for one day stuff, why not.

In terms of best minds, Mccullum and Dhoni definitely were, superb cricketing brains no question. Most others could be the vice and not have quite so much weight on them. Keepers are usually at the hub of things whatever so you still get their knowledge and know how without putting every decision on their shoulders.

 

[richart]

Very much disagree with this

Think about some of the wicketkeeper batsmen Captains you’ve had that were very good at all 3 at the same time

Adam Gilchrist
Kumar sangakarra
Brendon mccullum
MS Dhoni

Surely Gilchrist, Sangakkarra and McCullum were captains for a small percentage of the games they played, especially in test cricket. Seem to remember Ponting and Clarke captain of most Aussie tests Gilchrist played in, same with Jayawardena and Mathews, Sri Lanka, and Stephen Fleming, New Zealand.

Will give you Dhoni but he is definitely a one off.

Can’t remember any English, Pakistani, West Indian, South African wicketkeeper test captains. Need to be slightly mad to be a keeper, which is not necessarily a good idea to be a captain.

 

[sussexhacker]

Alec Stewart for England
Safaraz for Pakistan I think
Denesh ramdin for windies
Mark Boucher for a few for the saffers

 

[sussexhacker]

I'm probably thinking more of Test cricket where your endurance is stretched. One day stuff is wham bam, less taxing. I wouldn't have Buttler in the test team, never mind as captain but for one day stuff, why not.

In terms of best minds, Mccullum and Dhoni definitely were, superb cricketing brains no question. Most others could be the vice and not have quite so much weight on them. Keepers are usually at the hub of things whatever so you still get their knowledge and know how without putting every decision on their shoulders.

I wouldn’t have Buttler in the test team either I think foakes should 100% be the test keeper

I think if you make the keeper the captain you’re definitely going to shorten his career slightly especially if they’re a higher order batsman also but I think if they’re the best captain you could have then why not

 

[patricks148]

Alec Stewart for England
Safaraz for Pakistan I think
Denesh ramdin for windies
Mark Boucher for a few for the saffers

and all did very few games be fore being sacked

 

[sussexhacker]

and all did very few games be fore being sacked

You didn’t say how many games they had to have played

In all seriousness I think the best long term captains are batsmen not all rounders or bowlers

 

[Tongo]

You've all forgotten about New Zealand's Lee Germon from the mid 90's who captained the team on his test debut and for all 12 tests that he played for the Kiwis!

Proper bantz from the Kiwi selectors.

 

[sussexhacker]

I was born in the mid 90’s so don’t remember it

 

[fundy]

Dhoni without doubt is the massive exception for me, hard to think of any other keeper whos captained at the top level for 5 years or more in the last generation.

Tbh I struggle to see more than a handful of cricketers who should be playing all 3 formats at international level especially if they want any longevity let alone keeping let alone captaining

Think all boards should be looking to split up the captaincy roles across the formats

 

[sussexhacker]

they’ve got to be looking towards having the majority of each side as specialists in their format and therefore having a captain for each wouldn’t be the worst idea

 

[Captainron]

Faf was getting far too negative with his tactics. Seemed to be trying to not lose before trying to win. Now, granted, the team he had at the end wasn’t much cop in the batting department but the bowling was adequate and even managed to be explosive at times with Nortje and Rabada. Captains earn their crust when setting fields and making bowling changes and he just looked lost for long periods of the series.

I wouldn’t have picked Quinny as test skipper though but I can see that there weren’t many feasible options. I would have used Elgar up to the time that Markram got himself fit.

Interesting times ahead for South Africa both on the field and as a country.

 

[Tongo]

The arsehattery of this from Tom Harrison from the piece linked below is hilarious and galling:

Asked if the BBC said "no to counties", Harrison replied: "Absolutely, yes." The BBC and ECB later clarified that the broadcaster had not made such demands.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...iscover-working-class-connection-tom-harrison

Its no wonder fans of the game in this country have such disdain for him.

 

[fundy]

The arsehattery of this from Tom Harrison from the piece linked below is hilarious and galling:

Asked if the BBC said "no to counties", Harrison replied: "Absolutely, yes." The BBC and ECB later clarified that the broadcaster had not made such demands.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...iscover-working-class-connection-tom-harrison

Its no wonder fans of the game in this country have such disdain for him.

if youre bored compare whats hes said this week to what he said to the government all of a few weeks ago. Guys an utter joke