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MetalMickies not gonna be happy (nor are most England fans)

Foakes it seems is fit to play but has been dropped and replaced by Keaton Jennings. WALOFS. Ed Smith and his cohorts should be utterly embarassed

Wood will also get a game (no real shock), will replace Curran if Stokes is fit

So Jennings is going to bat three ? Or Denly at three ? Bairstows strop finally worked I guess.

Speechless really
 
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Oh well, 20-3 and 50-5 as usual.
When is Root going to be told to man up and bat in the top 3.
 

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What are they doing? How do you drop Foakes of all people? and to replace him with bloody Jennings. It was all looking so rosey after Sri Lanka, boy has that changed quick. We're a mess.
 

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So Jennings is going to bat three ? Or Denly at three ? Bairstows strop finally worked I guess.

Speechless really

Jennings will open and Denly will bat 3 (2 tests in and hes already had 2 batting positions, should feel quite at home soon haha)

Ed Smith an utter laughing stock, drop a guy then pick him a whole week later. Mustve been one helluva net session!
 

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Is Root not batting 3 really the issue though? Not as if he knuckles down and grinds these days either is it? Hes definitely not a natural number 3 on recent evidence. The issue only exists as we have zero decent options to bat in the top 3. Is compromising the captain and our best batter the right solution (he comes in at 20/2 rather than 10/2, hardly much different anyway I hear you say)
 
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Is Root not batting 3 really the issue though? Not as if he knuckles down and grinds these days either is it? Hes definitely not a natural number 3 on recent evidence. The issue only exists as we have zero decent options to bat in the top 3. Is compromising the captain and our best batter the right solution (he comes in at 20/2 rather than 10/2, hardly much different anyway I hear you say)

I don’t think Root should be at 3 - he is best at four

I think when they get back to England they are going to look at Clarke and Vince with Burns as a top 3 - would also like to see Gubbins
 

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I don’t think Root should be at 3 - he is best at four

I think when they get back to England they are going to look at Clarke and Vince with Burns as a top 3 - would also like to see Gubbins

Clarke goes harder at the ball than most of the current side, another one in test cricket who ideally youd bat at 5 or 6 (talented as he is). Vince a far better limited overs player than longer format, another who hardly values his wicket, much rathers a pretty 30odd

If those 2 are the answer theyve asked the wrong question!
 
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Clarke goes harder at the ball than most of the current side, another one in test cricket who ideally youd bat at 5 or 6 (talented as he is). Vince a far better limited overs player than longer format, another who hardly values his wicket, much rathers a pretty 30odd

If those 2 are the answer theyve asked the wrong question!

It’s hard to look around and see any answers - will be interesting to see how Banton goes this year for Somerset
 

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It’s hard to look around and see any answers - will be interesting to see how Banton goes this year for Somerset

not seen any of him to comment. should be plenty of players up and down the counties thinking if i can just make 50 off 150 balls a few times early summer Ive got a chance. Instead theyll be practising their ramps and switch hits :)
 
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The answer is to give James Hildreth a chance but one gets the impression that's not a hip enough selection for Smith and they would probably be put off by his age. (Which shouldnt make a difference but it likely does)

It’s a disgrace how he has been ignored by England but not surprising - if he played for Surrey or Yorkshire he would have been a shoe in. Abell is another is going to get better
 

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Surely you want to try and get something from the series. This smacks of an innings or 9-10 wicket defeat again and the bowlers toiling for hours. I've said before, I think the days of a Surrey bias are long gone, but the two issues are the test cupboard is bereft thanks to the demise of the long form of the game and the test selectors aren't up to the job and have no long term strategy
 
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Problem that I see is too many batsmen coming into the team and being asked to bat in key positions i.e. the top.

Aussies always seem to bring new batter in at 6 with a senior man at 3 and then when established in the team move him up the order (at least before they became a shambles as well as us). Root in my view is taking the easy option of hiding from the new ball (its not working though is it), he is our best player so needs to take responsibilty as Smith does for Australia (and will do again when he comes back in) and also he needs to start batting properly and not the shot a ball man he has become.

Trying to bed in two new openers obviously is not working and god knows where they are going to find someone although back to my original point there is a case for the captain going in at the top of the order as he did at the start of his test career. He is a better player now than he was then but I guess that takes us back to the number 3 problem.

We certainly won't win the ashes next summer when we are 3 down for nothing every innings.
 

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Problem that I see is too many batsmen coming into the team and being asked to bat in key positions i.e. the top.

Aussies always seem to bring new batter in at 6 with a senior man at 3 and then when established in the team move him up the order (at least before they became a shambles as well as us). Root in my view is taking the easy option of hiding from the new ball (its not working though is it), he is our best player so needs to take responsibilty as Smith does for Australia (and will do again when he comes back in) and also he needs to start batting properly and not the shot a ball man he has become.

Trying to bed in two new openers obviously is not working and god knows where they are going to find someone although back to my original point there is a case for the captain going in at the top of the order as he did at the start of his test career. He is a better player now than he was then but I guess that takes us back to the number 3 problem.

We certainly won't win the ashes next summer when we are 3 down for nothing every innings.
It's a solid way of doing stuff. Get them in the middle of the line up and see if they are up to the standard. Not everyone will make the grade at test level but surely better to try them lower down and get the senior men to deal with the top order. Sadly the top order we have are incapable and the newbie would currently be in while the new ball and openers are doing their stuff
 

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Here’s hoping for a Windies win over the next few days. English selectors are flipping muddled in their thinking (but watch Jennings get a ton :eek:)

Would love a repeat of the Blackwash from the 80’s.
 
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