2019 Cricket

[Swinglowandslow]

At last, the commentators are saying the right things. After all that has happened re our batting Denly is playing at iffy balls. Atherton says, "his eyes light up . He can't help himself "( playing at the ball)
This is a professional cricketer. Has he learned nothing about leaving the ball.
When will it sink in.?

 

[fundy]

At last, the commentators are saying the right things. After all that has happened re our batting Denly is playing at iffy balls. Atherton says, "his eyes light up . He can't help himself "( playing at the ball)
This is a professional cricketer. Has he learned nothing about leaving the ball.
When will it sink in.?

the problem is nearly all his batting practise for the last 5 years will have been white ball cricket and throwing his hands at the ball, that is now what comes naturally. how quickly do you expect him to be able to change what he has trained as a natural reaction since we decided we need him as a red ball cricketer and then as an opener. blame should be on Ed Smith not on Joe Denly

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The obsession with technique in English cricket is insufferable. Was there much difference between Collingwood and Bell? Or was it the obsession with Bell's orthodox technique? Would Steve Smith have progressed in English cricket with his quirky methods? Probably not.

If you score enough runs then that trumps everything else. I agree that we like an aesthetically pleasing batsman, same with bowlers, but ultimately if you get runs and wickets then you are in and you stay. I would agree that if you have a wobble then you will be ousted quicker, the odd technique gets highlighted more as being a problem.

 

[Junior]

I wonder if they didn't call up another batsmen because its the last round of the county champs and they didn't want to leave a team short in a potential big game ?

Either way, I think the amount of white ball cricket being played and the sporadic nature of first class cricket this season has contributed to England's downfall. You can 'prepare' all you want, but you cant beat time in the middle in first class cricket to get some form.

 

[fundy]

I wonder if they didn't call up another batsmen because its the last round of the county champs and they didn't want to leave a team short in a potential big game ?

Either way, I think the amount of white ball cricket being played and the sporadic nature of first class cricket this season has contributed to England's downfall. You can 'prepare' all you want, but you cant beat time in the middle in first class cricket to get some form.

couldve done Essex a favour and called Sibley up lol. btw its not the last round, still 2 more to go

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Denly gone but in fairness it looked to be coming. Good ball and fuller but did he need to play?

 

[Dan2501]

Denly gone but in fairness it looked to be coming. Good ball and fuller but did he need to play?

Of course he bloody didn't. Was miles outside off and he threw his hands at it. He's no improvement on Jason Roy.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Of course he bloody didn't. Was miles outside off and he threw his hands at it. He's no improvement on Jason Roy.

Who is next up on the opener rank? Burns has done enough to go on tour, who will go with him? Denly looks too loose to be his partner but I don't know the county game well enough to know who should get the next opportunity.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Who is next up on the opener rank? Burns has done enough to go on tour, who will go with him? Denly looks too loose to be his partner but I don't know the county game well enough to know who should get the next opportunity.

I would guess Sibley and Crawley are the next two in line - Sibley prob the better red ball player , the outside could be Mitchell for a couple of years ( in the same way Australia brought in Rodgers )

Of course he bloody didn't. Was miles outside off and he threw his hands at it. He's no improvement on Jason Roy.

It’s because they have been playing white ball cricket and it’s in the nature right now to go at those balls with hard hands - as Fundy has said many times , this is what happens when players spend months playing white ball and them come back to the red ball. It’s no surprise that Burns is doing well because he has spent the summer playing red ball ( same with players like Lambsuenge (spelling 😂) )

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Of course he bloody didn't. Was miles outside off and he threw his hands at it. He's no improvement on Jason Roy.

Which begs the question why didn't he leave it? The Aussies seem far more disciplined and Denly and Roy aren't capable of being patient enough and their one day inclinations kick in. You'd never have seen Strauss, Gooch or Stewart flail so often at those sort of balls. Until we divide the test squad into one that only plays longer formats (so they can play county championships if ECB release them) then white ball cricket tendencies will infect the test game to the detriment of our performances

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I would guess Sibley and Crawley are the next two in line - Sibley prob the better red ball player

Sibley it is then. We need to concentrate on bringing through some proper red ball cricketers now. (yes I know that is grumpy, old school response but when it comes to cricket that is what I am )

 

[fundy]

Which begs the question why didn't he leave it? The Aussies seem far more disciplined and Denly and Roy aren't capable of being patient enough and their one day inclinations kick in. You'd never have seen Strauss, Gooch or Stewart flail so often at those sort of balls. Until we divide the test squad into one that only plays longer formats (so they can play county championships if ECB release them) then white ball cricket tendencies will infect the test game to the detriment of our performances

He didnt leave it because hes a white ball cricketer and his instinct is to push at every ball and try and score off it. Take out Smith (and Labuschagne who they didnt even select) are the Aussies really any more disciplined or better? Did Strauss, Gooch or Stewart play T20 and practise range hitting day in day out

 

[fundy]

I would guess Sibley and Crawley are the next two in line - Sibley prob the better red ball player , the outside could be Mitchell for a couple of years ( in the same way Australia brought in Rodgers )


It’s because they have been playing white ball cricket and it’s in the nature right now to go at those balls with hard hands - as Fundy has said many times , this is what happens when players spend months playing white ball and them come back to the red ball. It’s no surprise that Burns is doing well because he has spent the summer playing red ball ( same with players like Lambsuenge (spelling 😂) )

wouldnt object to Ballance playing his way in with a double ton today/tomorrow either Phil haha

 

[Deleted member 15344]

wouldnt object to Ballance playing his way in with a double ton today/tomorrow either Phil haha

😡😡 booooo just our luck for him to do it as well , watching the stream , ball moving all over the place

 

[fundy]

wouldnt object to Ballance playing his way in with a double ton today/tomorrow either Phil haha

didnt take long for that jinx sigh

 

[Junior]

couldve done Essex a favour and called Sibley up lol. btw its not the last round, still 2 more to go

LOL - 2 more, i thought it was done after this. Long season !

 

[fundy]

LOL - 2 more, i thought it was done after this. Long season !

thats what happens when you stop playing county champs for 6 weeks in the middle of summer lol!!!! Potential Div 1 decider at Taunton starts on the 23rd September with the season having started on the 5th April!!!! and people wonder why our test team struggle against the red ball lol

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Sibley it is then. We need to concentrate on bringing through some proper red ball cricketers now. (yes I know that is grumpy, old school response but when it comes to cricket that is what I am )

But that requires a level of joined up thinking by the ECB. I think we'll get square pegs and round holes as usual

 

[User62651]

Is this test match a dead rubber or do people think winning it so drawing the series matters? Are the Aussies going to give 100% in this one given the Ashes are retained by them no matter the result in this test.

Would you go and watch live thinking you were getting full value?

 

[GB72]

The schedule cannot have helped much. Great idea to have a full ashes series weeks after the world cup with tired players, very little in the way of red ball warm up matches and a team that has hardly played any red ball cricket in home conditions this year. With their involvement in county cricket, I suspect that some of the Aussies have played more red ball cricket in England than our lot. Hardly a shock that some are finding it difficult to transition out of white ball mode I know, money etc, but common sense would have suggested a shorter 3 test series against a lower ranked nation to end the summer and build up to an ashes series next year.