15 clubs in your opponents bag, what to do?

[North Mimms]

It is difficult to police but still doesn't change the fact that you can declare additional clubs

Why carry 16 clubs if you only can use 14 of them?

 

[Spuddy]

Hovis, you might want to have a look at decision 4-4c/1 ...

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I often have 15/16 clubs in my bag. As long as you declare the extra clubs to your fc and dont use them its all ok

You might want to check the rules on that. You aren't permitted to start a round with more than 14 clubs. Rule 4-4c covers the declaration of excess clubs after the round has started and carries the penalties discussed here. There is nothing in the rules that says you can start the round with more than 14 clubs, even if you say you won't use them.

Rule 4-4c decision 1 covers it.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

...and how many comps or swindles/roll-ups have you won when carrying more than 14 clubs? Ooops!

 

[hovis]

Why carry 16 clubs if you only can use 14 of them?

I sometimes use the range before i tee off and have two spare clubs that i solely use on the range. I keep them in my bag to save a trip back to the car. My information on it being ok as long as you declare them comes from a chat i had with peter cowen

Also, would this mean that if you were in a comp with 14 clubs in your bag and you found a wedge on the fringe of the green and put it in your bag for safe keeping then you suffer penalty strokes

 

[Foxholer]

So you declare at the outset the clubs you are not going to use and that's OK? If this were OK then just on basic practicalities how does anyone police you on that? Also say you carry two putters and that makes 15 clubs, and you declare you are not going to use one of them and identify the one you are not going to use, ,and half way round your putter breaks. I think you will be expecting to be able to use your substitute putter! After all it's only a game isn't it?

Notwithstanding that it's a breach, policing is done the same way as if it was discovered later in the round!

And it's fine to replace the broken putter with a club declared out of play - Decision 4-4c/2 - the replacement can be with 'any' club.

I sometimes use the range before i tee off and have two spare clubs that i solely use on the range. I keep them in my bag to save a trip back to the car. My information on it being ok as long as you declare them comes from a chat i had with peter cowen

Just shows why it never pays to accept a Pro's advice on Rules! For a start, they can misinterpret the question and you can misinterpret their reply! And what is ok/breach when you check, may turn out to be a breach/ok in the future!

 

[Spuddy]

I sometimes use the range before i tee off and have two spare clubs that i solely use on the range. I keep them in my bag to save a trip back to the car. My information on it being ok as long as you declare them comes from a chat i had with peter cowen

Also, would this mean that if you were in a comp with 14 clubs in your bag and you found a wedge on the fringe of the green and put it in your bag for safe keeping then you suffer penalty strokes

It's a good thing he's a decent coach then as he wouldn't make a good rules official! You can recover found clubs without penalty.

4-4a/8

Retrieving Another Player's Lost Club

Q.A player carrying 14 clubs found another player's club on the course. He picked up the lost club, put it in his bag but did not use it, and handed it in at the pro shop when the round was completed. Was the player in breach of Rule 4-4afor carrying 15 clubs?[h=2][/h]A.No.

 

[Dave3498]

Good point. Max penalty is 2 holes and the penalty isn't loss of hole it's adjustment of the score in match play.

So if player A who had 15 clubs was 2UP standing on the 3rd green and also went on to win the 3rd hole the match stands as 1UP to player A not 3UP or even 2UP to player B.

At the same time if player B was 2UP and won the 3rd hole he would now be 5UP after 3 holes played. /QUOTE]

So the match could finish on the 9th. where he would be 11 up with 9 to play, an 11 & 9 win.

 

[DAVEYBOY]

Tut Tut Hovis, I would be really annoyed now and strip you of any victories you have had over me... Hang on there have been none :whoo:

 

[rosecott]

I often have 15/16 clubs in my bag. As long as you declare the extra clubs to your fc and dont use them its all ok

I'll be checking your bag on Sunday.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I often have 15/16 clubs in my bag. As long as you declare the extra clubs to your fc and dont use them its all ok

Is this during qualifying competitions ?

If so then you should be DQed from everyone

 

[rosecott]

Is this during qualifying competitions ?

If so then you should be DQed from everyone

Steady on, we'll tell him after the Sunday round at Woodhall.

 

[palindromicbob]

Good point. Max penalty is 2 holes and the penalty isn't loss of hole it's adjustment of the score in match play.

So if player A who had 15 clubs was 2UP standing on the 3rd green and also went on to win the 3rd hole the match stands as 1UP to player A not 3UP or even 2UP to player B.

At the same time if player B was 2UP and won the 3rd hole he would now be 5UP after 3 holes played. /QUOTE]

So the match could finish on the 9th. where he would be 11 up with 9 to play, an 11 & 9 win.

Technically yes.

 

[DAVEYBOY]

I'll be checking your bag on Sunday.

Don't be harsh on him he has to get his two chippers in there somewhere...

 

[hovis]

Is this during qualifying competitions ?

If so then you should be DQed from everyone

Get a life phil, I'm surprised it took u this long to stick your nose in. Even so, max 4 stroke penalty and Only disqualified if you use one

 

[hovis]

Don't be harsh on him he has to get his two chippers in there somewhere...

You say that but I've started chipping with my hybrid! Doesn't that make me just as bad

 

[rosecott]

Get a life phil, I'm surprised it took u this long to stick your nose in. Even so, max 4 stroke penalty and Only disqualified if you use one

You must be very confident starting with a 4-stroke deficit on Sunday.

 

[hovis]

You must be very confident starting with a 4-stroke deficit on Sunday.

If only. Swing has gone awol. Im glad im teeing off last so you guys infront wont rip me to shreds. If the 2nd runs back along the 1st then watch out "seriously"

 

[Allanxyz]

Is this during qualifying competitions ?

If so then you should be DQed from everyone

thought if the results had been recorded and are in the books then you can't be DQ'd after the event... Or did I get that wrong... Or were you just pulling his leg?

 

[hovis]

thought if the results had been recorded and are in the books then you can't be DQ'd after the event... Or did I get that wrong... Or were you just pulling his leg?

You have to have a sense of humor to pull someone's leg