15 clubs in your opponents bag, what to do?

hovis said:
Get a life phil, I'm surprised it took u this long to stick your nose in. Even so, max 4 stroke penalty and Only disqualified if you use one
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Think maybe you should learn the rules of the game.

Agains have you carried more clubs than what is allowed in qualifying comps ? If so I would suggest you speak to your comp secretary about your rule breaks and I hope you didn't win any comps when carrying the clubs - would suggest heading prizes back.
 
Allanxyz said:
thought if the results had been recorded and are in the books then you can't be DQ'd after the event... Or did I get that wrong... Or were you just pulling his leg?
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I was to start with but not so much now

The poster has clearly broken the rules of the game and needs to correct that

Him throwing insults at me won't hide it
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Think maybe you should learn the rules of the game.

Agains have you carried more clubs than what is allowed in qualifying comps ? If so I would suggest you speak to your comp secretary about your rule breaks and I hope you didn't win any comps when carrying the clubs - would suggest heading prizes back.
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Know the rules? You thought it was a dq for having extra clubs! Only if you use them!
 
hovis said:
Know the rules? You thought it was a dq for having extra clubs! Only if you use them!
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Will ask again

Did you carry 16 clubs in a qualifying comp and if so have you made the comps sec aware of your infraction ?

Having a go at me doesn't change the fact it's you in the wrong
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Will ask again

Did you carry 16 clubs in a qualifying comp and if so have you made the comps sec aware of your infraction ?

Having a go at me doesn't change the fact it's you in the wrong
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Im not saying I'm not wrong. Im saying if your going to letchure me on not knowing the rules then you should know them, and as i dont use the range before comps i will say no.

Let me ask you a question, your playing a fc in a friendly match play for £20. He beats you on the 18th green and as your handing your cash over you see 16 clubs in his bag, two of them are old and where clearly not used durring the round. What would you do?
 
HomerJSimpson said:
No but that it just shows you've made upsetting people on here an art form. So brave behind a keyboard
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Brave ? Nah not brave - I do ensure I'm consistent on social media though - how about you ?

As for upsetting people Homer - do you really want to talk about your wedge competition and some young lad you drove away from the forum - glass houses pal
 
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hovis said:
Im not saying I'm not wrong. Im saying if your going to letchure me on not knowing the rules then you should know them, and as i dont use the range before comps i will say no.

Let me ask you a question, your playing a fc in a friendly match play for £20. He beats you on the 18th green and as your handing your cash over you see 16 clubs in his bag, two of them are old and where clearly not used durring the round. What would you do?
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I wouldn't give him the £20 - simple as that.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Will ask again

Did you carry 16 clubs in a qualifying comp and if so have you made the comps sec aware of your infraction ?

Having a go at me doesn't change the fact it's you in the wrong
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Based on what I have read so far any comps he has played in are now closed so nothing much can be done. Rule 34-1 in case you are interested.

What appears to have happened here is applying rule 4-4c without taking the wording of rule 4-4a into full consideration. Specifically "The player must not start a stipulated round with more than fourteen clubs."

I'm sure now that the breech has been pointed out to Hovis he will, in future, carry the stipulated 14 clubs and if not he can take the 2 shot penalty and declared the additional clubs out of play before teeing off on the 2nd.

Fact is, yes he breech a rule but he did NOT cheat.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Will ask again

Did you carry 16 clubs in a qualifying comp and if so have you made the comps sec aware of your infraction ?

Having a go at me doesn't change the fact it's you in the wrong
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Why does the comps sec need to be made aware... Think, although not 100% verified on r&a site, that rule 34-1 states that "In stroke play, a penalty must not be rescinded, modified or imposed after the competition has closed. A competition is closed when the result has been officially announced"

Unless the rules was knowingly broken, which wasn't the case here (in my opinion)...
 
Allanxyz said:
Why does the comps sec need to be made aware... Think, although not 100% verified on r&a site, that rule 34-1 states that "In stroke play, a penalty must not be rescinded, modified or imposed after the competition has closed. A competition is closed when the result has been officially announced"

Unless the rules was knowingly broken, which wasn't the case here (in my opinion)...
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oops, see I was beaten to it!
 
palindromicbob said:
I'm sure now that the breech has been pointed out to Hovis he will, in future, carry the stipulated 14 clubs and if not he can take the 2 shot penalty and declared the additional clubs out of play before teeing off on the 2nd.

Fact is, yes he breech a rule but he did NOT cheat.
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Thinking of it. The 1st tee is so far from the club house and car park that if i found i had an extra club then i think i'd rather take the penalty Than walk back:D
 
palindromicbob said:
Based on what I have read so far any comps he has played in are now closed so nothing much can be done. Rule 34-1 in case you are interested.

What appears to have happened here is applying rule 4-4c without taking the wording of rule 4-4a into full consideration. Specifically "The player must not start a stipulated round with more than fourteen clubs."

I'm sure now that the breech has been pointed out to Hovis he will, in future, carry the stipulated 14 clubs and if not he can take the 2 shot penalty and declared the additional clubs out of play before teeing off on the 2nd.

Fact is, yes he breech a rule but he did NOT cheat.
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Never said he cheated - but integrity comes into question for me hence why I would speak to the comp sec

He could have possibly won comps and money from other people when clearly breaking the rules.

Golf is a game of self regulation and trust

I didn't realise that one day I miss counted a score on a medal as did my FC - two days later I realised and spoke to the comp sec and even though I won I DQ'ed myself. I felt it was the right thing to do. The game is built on the rules being self governed.

My initial statement about DQ was said in jest but speaking to the comp sec if taken 16 clubs in a qualifying comp is IMO the right thing to do
 
I agree its breaking the rules but whats the harm when no advantage over anyone in the field was gained. The club are rusty and old. Whats the harm? Hense my question about your £20 match play. Why would i give prizes back when the said clubs didnt move an inch. If i said to the sec " i declared two clubs before my round started because i couldn't be bother to walk to my car and i've just found this to be wrong" he laugh in my face and tell me to get a grip
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
Never said he cheated - but integrity comes into question for me hence why I would speak to the comp sec

He could have possibly won comps and money from other people when clearly breaking the rules.

Golf is a game of self regulation and trust

I didn't realise that one day I miss counted a score on a medal as did my FC - two days later I realised and spoke to the comp sec and even though I won I DQ'ed myself. I felt it was the right thing to do. The game is built on the rules being self governed.

My initial statement about DQ was said in jest but speaking to the comp sec if taken 16 clubs in a qualifying comp is IMO the right thing to do
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Sounds like you didn't follow the rules though... If the results were published you aren't allowed to DQ yourself...or maybe changing a penalty isn't allowed but a DQ is??
 
hovis said:
I agree its breaking the rules but whats the harm when no advantage over anyone in the field was gained. The club are rusty and old. Whats the harm? Hense my question about your £20 match play. Why would i give prizes back when the said clubs didnt move an inch. If i said to the sec " i declared two clubs before my round started because i couldn't be bother to walk to my car and i've just found this to be wrong" he laugh in my face and tell me to get a grip
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Any other rules that should be just ignored because there is "No Harm"

The harm is a rule has been broken - if you're not bothered about this rule then where does it stop ?

Sorry but you only have to see Woosies reaction to see the harm it can do

You are only allowed 14 clubs in your bag at the start of a round - it's a simple basic rule that must be adhered to.
 
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