Yeah right!!

[Herbie]

I think some are missing the point, and its a point that could fit the description of several tour pro's. Luke did not do a great deal before injury, so I dont see how that can be a defence for his performances overall.

I like him, he's a lovely player and a nice person it seems whenever interviewed, but the fact that he has such a great tallent, yet has not got a string of performances and finish positions to make you think WOW! watch out Phil, Tiger and a number of others, leaves me thinking he may never achieve any further.
But he will have a comfy life playing the way he does.

 

[theeaglehunter]

I think some are missing the point, and its a point that could fit the description of several tour pro's. Luke did not do a great deal before injury, so I dont see how that can be a defence for his performances overall.

I like him, he's a lovely player and a nice person it seems whenever interviewed, but the fact that he has such a great tallent, yet has not got a string of performances and finish positions to make you think WOW! watch out Phil, Tiger and a number of others, leaves me thinking he may never achieve any further.
But he will have a comfy life playing the way he does.

Spot on, I agree that his injury is being given as an excuse for not fulfilling his potential. Even though it looked unlikely he would anyway, before damaging his wrist. He will always be admired and respected as a pro, but will never be a world beater in my opinion.

 

[Golfmmad]

I saw Luke drive off on the 3rd hole on Saturday, It didn't look short to me, lovely and straight and up there around the middle bunker distance. Although, Rory Macilroy and Anders Hansen were a little further up. All the pros actual, club head speeds, were awesome!
Back to Luke, I think he will come good given time, He's too good a player to write off just yet.

Golfmmad.

 

[haplesshacker]

I think some are missing the point, and its a point that could fit the description of several tour pro's. Luke did not do a great deal before injury, so I dont see how that can be a defence for his performances overall.

I like him, he's a lovely player and a nice person it seems whenever interviewed, but the fact that he has such a great tallent, yet has not got a string of performances and finish positions to make you think WOW! watch out Phil, Tiger and a number of others, leaves me thinking he may never achieve any further.
But he will have a comfy life playing the way he does.

Spot on, I agree that his injury is being given as an excuse for not fulfilling his potential. Even though it looked unlikely he would anyway, before damaging his wrist. He will always be admired and respected as a pro, but will never be a world beater in my opinion.

These two posts have got my whole point straight off.

At no point did I say that I was writng him off after or because of his wrist injury. So that argument falls down.

 

[theeaglehunter]

I think some are missing the point, and its a point that could fit the description of several tour pro's. Luke did not do a great deal before injury, so I dont see how that can be a defence for his performances overall.

I like him, he's a lovely player and a nice person it seems whenever interviewed, but the fact that he has such a great tallent, yet has not got a string of performances and finish positions to make you think WOW! watch out Phil, Tiger and a number of others, leaves me thinking he may never achieve any further.
But he will have a comfy life playing the way he does.

Spot on, I agree that his injury is being given as an excuse for not fulfilling his potential. Even though it looked unlikely he would anyway, before damaging his wrist. He will always be admired and respected as a pro, but will never be a world beater in my opinion.

These two posts have got my whole point straight off.

At no point did I say that I was writng him off after or because of his wrist injury. So that argument falls down.

Not at all Hapless, my post certainly wasn't in specific relation to your OP, more the other responses which through the thread have seen the injury excuse provided on more than one occasion.

Don't straight away assume people are opposing your own point of view- my response in agreement with HNJ was to support his argument against the posts which did state his injuries as hampering his progress, towards reaching his potential.

 

[CrapHacker]

I think some are missing the point, and its a point that could fit the description of several tour pro's. Luke did not do a great deal before injury, so I dont see how that can be a defence for his performances overall.

I like him, he's a lovely player and a nice person it seems whenever interviewed, but the fact that he has such a great tallent, yet has not got a string of performances and finish positions to make you think WOW! watch out Phil, Tiger and a number of others, leaves me thinking he may never achieve any further.
But he will have a comfy life playing the way he does.

Spot on, I agree that his injury is being given as an excuse for not fulfilling his potential. Even though it looked unlikely he would anyway, before damaging his wrist. He will always be admired and respected as a pro, but will never be a world beater in my opinion.

These two posts have got my whole point straight off.

At no point did I say that I was writng him off after or because of his wrist injury. So that argument falls down.

Hang on. You were implying that because he's unlikely to win a major, then he should consider his career as unfulfilled, to the extent of underachievement.

He should be better than that, was the cry.

Us supporters think you're being too tough on the guy, for several reasons, the injury is just one of them.

Just because someone has a superb amateur career, doesn't mean they're going to waltz onto the pro circuit. Because of his size, and length off the tee, he was never going to find it as easy as Tiger, or even Casey, imo. He's about 32, and has a large slice of his career still in front of him.

Of course Luke's more likely not to win a major, than he is to take one down. But until the moment he did it, you could have said the same for Harrington. Now he's a contenter up there with the big boys.

I don't think he's lazy, or a bottler, or a journeyman. I think he's a damn fine player, who I'm sure is capable of winning if he gets himself into contention enough times. I think he needs help ;
a) to get fully fit
b) to maximise his length off the tee
c) to improve his mental strength even more.

Someone mentioned Nick Dougherty. Now I'd suggest that he fits the bill better, about unfulfilled potential, maybe.

 

[freddielong]

Luke Donald seems to be going along very nicely at Colonial

 

[Herbie]

I think some are missing the point, and its a point that could fit the description of several tour pro's. Luke did not do a great deal before injury, so I dont see how that can be a defence for his performances overall.

I like him, he's a lovely player and a nice person it seems whenever interviewed, but the fact that he has such a great tallent, yet has not got a string of performances and finish positions to make you think WOW! watch out Phil, Tiger and a number of others, leaves me thinking he may never achieve any further.
But he will have a comfy life playing the way he does.

Spot on, I agree that his injury is being given as an excuse for not fulfilling his potential. Even though it looked unlikely he would anyway, before damaging his wrist. He will always be admired and respected as a pro, but will never be a world beater in my opinion.

These two posts have got my whole point straight off.

At no point did I say that I was writng him off after or because of his wrist injury. So that argument falls down.

Hang on. You were implying that because he's unlikely to win a major, then he should consider his career as unfulfilled, to the extent of underachievement.

He should be better than that, was the cry.

Us supporters think you're being too tough on the guy, for several reasons, the injury is just one of them.

Just because someone has a superb amateur career, doesn't mean they're going to waltz onto the pro circuit. Because of his size, and length off the tee, he was never going to find it as easy as Tiger, or even Casey, imo. He's about 32, and has a large slice of his career still in front of him.

Of course Luke's more likely not to win a major, than he is to take one down. But until the moment he did it, you could have said the same for Harrington. Now he's a contenter up there with the big boys.

I don't think he's lazy, or a bottler, or a journeyman. I think he's a damn fine player, who I'm sure is capable of winning if he gets himself into contention enough times. I think he needs help ;
a) to get fully fit
b) to maximise his length off the tee
c) to improve his mental strength even more.

Someone mentioned Nick Dougherty. Now I'd suggest that he fits the bill better, about unfulfilled potential, maybe.

Please dont put words into others mouths, I know what I said, it was fair, it was not a condemnation of LD in any way, just a realistic observation.

 

[haplesshacker]

HNJ.

I was agreeing with you as it elaborated on my original, perhaps, poorly constructed OP.

This lack of sleep and work thing is getting to me occasionally I think.

 

[Herbie]

I was referring to craphacker, hapless I think I am confused a littel too

 

[haplesshacker]

What were we discussing anyway?

 

[CrapHacker]

Please dont put words into others mouths, I know what I said, it was fair, it was not a condemnation of LD in any way, just a realistic observation.

Sorry, if I misinterpreted you.

Words like 'over rated' tend to get my gander up. I think it's unfair to use those words in relation to him

I prefer 'over expectation'. I think anyone that comes into the modern game, no matter how talented, has to have the physique to match. And 5'9'' weighing less than a newborn babe, ( ok under 11 and a half stone, ringing wet ) is handicapping him straight away.

 

[CrapHacker]

I was referring to craphacker, hapless I think I am confused a littel too

*cough*

My original post didn't refer to his injury either, just to the fact that he's ( relatively speaking ) a shortposterieured lightweight.

But I can argue about how a second place since coming back from that injury is pretty decent too, if you like

 

[CrapHacker]

What were we discussing anyway?

BTW I think it's a damn good discusion. I would just prefer it if we were all in the same pub at the time, having a beer or two. ( espeshially since it's beeeen gowinon for a good fewwww daysh now *hic* )