Wrong tee penalty should be removed ?

[Dunesman]

Hi.
Is it time that the two shot penalty for playing from the wrong tee should now be removed ?

Since WHS we have some of our competitions as tee optional, so you can play the green, white, or blue markers. I dont really remember people playing from the wrong tee prior to WHS, but now, with a group potentially having players playing from all three markers, or, 3 in a four playing from one marker and the 4th player playing from a different one, it seems much more common.
And there are a lot of near misses, with the player or partners realising the mistake just in time.
So its a much more likely penalty now. And a harsh one for such an easy but unintentional action.
Additionally, the penalty seems inconsistently applied. Some not knowing its a penalty and just going to the right tee, or not even aware and playing on. Or, playing partners just ignoring the penalty on a common sense basis that it is too harsh a penalty.
So time to delete it ?

 

[rulie]

Hi.
Is it time that the two shot penalty for playing from the wrong tee should now be removed ?

Since WHS we have some of our competitions as tee optional, so you can play the green, white, or blue markers. I dont really remember people playing from the wrong tee prior to WHS, but now, with a group potentially having players playing from all three markers, or, 3 in a four playing from one marker and the 4th player playing from a different one, it seems much more common.
And there are a lot of near misses, with the player or partners realising the mistake just in time.
So its a much more likely penalty now. And a harsh one for such an easy but unintentional action.
Additionally, the penalty seems inconsistently applied. Some not knowing its a penalty and just going to the right tee, or not even aware and playing on. Or, playing partners just ignoring the penalty on a common sense basis that it is too harsh a penalty.
So time to delete it ?

No. Players just need to pay attention.

 

[IanMcC]

I dont think it should be scrapped, but I always thought that 1 penalty stroke would be more apt.

 

[D-S]

I dont think it should be scrapped, but I always thought that 1 penalty stroke would be more apt.

I take your point but it is consistent with 14.7 a Playing from wrong place - is this harsh though?

 

[rulie]

I take your point but it is consistent with 14.7 a Playing from wrong place - is this harsh though?

No.
A former ice hockey coach said, "You can't teach fast, and you can't fix stupid." Quite appropriate imo.

 

[jim8flog]

Hi.
Is it time that the two shot penalty for playing from the wrong tee should now be removed ?

Since WHS we have some of our competitions as tee optional, so you can play the green, white, or blue markers. I dont really remember people playing from the wrong tee prior to WHS, but now, with a group potentially having players playing from all three markers, or, 3 in a four playing from one marker and the 4th player playing from a different one, it seems much more common.
And there are a lot of near misses, with the player or partners realising the mistake just in time.
So its a much more likely penalty now. And a harsh one for such an easy but unintentional action.
Additionally, the penalty seems inconsistently applied. Some not knowing its a penalty and just going to the right tee, or not even aware and playing on. Or, playing partners just ignoring the penalty on a common sense basis that it is too harsh a penalty.
So time to delete it ?

It is why our comps only ever have one tee for the comp for men .

I have often thought the DQ penalty was bit harsh.

 

[rulefan]

Presumably they chose the tee colour for some perceived advantage to them. If they can't remember why they are doing it they deserve the penalty.

 

[Steven Rules]

Additionally, the penalty seems inconsistently applied. Some not knowing its a penalty and just going to the right tee, or not even aware and playing on. Or, playing partners just ignoring the penalty on a common sense basis that it is too harsh a penalty.

In club golf, the same could be said about every Rule. Sigh. Why should playing from a wrong tee be singled out for a special exemption?

 

[IanM]

Just play off the right tee eh?

If you managed to get yourself dressed, and found your way to the course, it shouldn't be beyond you

 

[Dunesman]

1. The 'just do it right' is a very weak, or even not at all, justification. 'because thats what the rule says' is of course a valid justification for doing it while the rule is there, but that does not necessarily justify the rule being there in the first place.
2. Your score should reflect your performance, not your memory
3. The 2019 rules modifications wrote out several 'silly' rules in order to make golf fairer and seem less pedantically punitive of the trivial (moving your ball while marking on the green, touching the ground with your club in a hazard, etc). Play from multiple tees in the same group was not part of the game at the time. But is in the same vein as their motivation for a group of those changes at the time.
4. It is happening that people are not penalising themselves, wittingly or unwittingly. Sometimes fairness is better served by the rules moving to the reality rather holding a utopian expectation for the letter of the law.

 

[IanM]

1. Why is it weak?

Where are you drawing the line?

Every sport on the planet is played within a framework. Which bits don't matter? I understand why someone might remove an interfering "white" post, because they don't know the Rule. But if you play from the wrong tee, surely that's really basic.

We have one comp a year where you can pick your tee. Thank goodness for that

2. Memory?? I forgot about the two duffs and wrote down a 4. Ok carry on then?

Is the penalty harsh? No idea. If you got no penalty and just replayed the shot from the right place, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

We're not talking about being a Rules Nerd, just go to the right place to tee off. If you're colour blind, as a friend!

 

[Steven Rules]

pedantically punitive of the trivial (moving your ball while marking on the green

Without wanting to interrupt the overall flow of your argument, accidental movement of the ball on the putting green - or anywhere else on the course for that matter - while marking it was not a penalty pre-2019.

 

[Dunesman]

Without wanting to interrupt the overall flow of your argument, accidental movement of the ball on the putting green - or anywhere else on the course for that matter - while marking it was not a penalty pre-2019.

Unintentionally moving your marker was it ? Either way, it was a clean up of unnecessary penalties.

 

[Dunesman]

1. Why is it weak?

Where are you drawing the line?

Every sport on the planet is played within a framework. Which bits don't matter? I understand why someone might remove an interfering "white" post, because they don't know the Rule. But if you play from the wrong tee, surely that's really basic.

We have one comp a year where you can pick your tee. Thank goodness for that

2. Memory?? I forgot about the two duffs and wrote down a 4. Ok carry on then?

Is the penalty harsh? No idea. If you got no penalty and just replayed the shot from the right place, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

We're not talking about being a Rules Nerd, just go to the right place to tee off. If you're colour blind, as a friend!

I think you are missing the point of all four points.
Of course there needs to be a framework. But simply being a ruke does not of itself mean the rule is good. And of course if you play from the wrong tee, its basic that you play from the correct tee. I am questioning the penalty fitting the crime.
You are extending memory beyond the momentary tendancy to follow a playing partner onto the tee that is this case.
Your last line is just a restatement of the 'just do it right in the first place' and I have explained my objection to that simplistic response.

 

[IanM]

You did. And I'm exercising my right to disagree. Although that makes neither of us right or wrong.

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

Why am I responding on this thread?

At my club, and within my circles, we tend to have suggestions rather than rules,
and most of the gang has a hard enough time with that level of compliance.

Except for my fifteen clubs, I'm easily one of the more conforming / compliant ones.

How is it possible to play from the tees other than the ones agreed upon, however?
Does one just go off by oneself?
Do you have lots of rounds with people playing from different tees?

The UK golf experience must be totally different from what we do,
although I love the UK courses I see on TV.
I probably wouldn't play well on them, though,
because I play an airborne game and your greens are like concrete.
[Crow says ours are like oatmeal.]

Anyway, with decades of golf under my belt,
I didn't even know that the penalty for playing from the wrong tee was two strokes.
To my recollection, it's never come up once.

 

[Crow]

In this enlightened day and age I think we should all be able to identify with our own set of rules and be free to play to them.

I say rock on man of the dunes.

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

Funny Crow should step on my post so quickly.
I just gave our mate a mention on the post above!

 

[NearHull]

Came up today. We were playing a competition from our forward blue tees, two of the group teed off from our ‘normal’ yellow tees on 16 before we realised what we were doing. 2 shot penalties for both of them.
The conversation in the clubhouse centred on the differences in how the same infraction is treated in Strokeplay to matchplay.

 

[Crow]

Funny Crow should step on my post so quickly.
I just gave our mate a mention on the post above!

I'd not seen your post prior to writting mine.