Wrist position at the top of the swing

[harpo_72]

I have been doing the pump drill and everything is moving in the right direction. But the slow motion still shows the club to be outside the line. The shaft is still behind my hands at impact.



I was looking really deeply into this. I can only see that my wrist at the top is straight and not laid off which would put the club on a flatter plane and bring the shaft in line.

The flight isn’t indicating I have a path issue so am I really going to get any gains by laying off at the top?
My path numbers were measured a while ago but they were very tight.

 

[Neilds]

As Bobmac says, the ball doesn’t care where your wrists are at the top of the swing. All the ball knows is where the club face is when it whacks it up the behind. This is what affects the flight and if the flight is good, does it really matter what is happening at the top of the swing? Stop trying to get the ‘perfect’ swing, it is not real. Think unicorns

 

[irip]

I think the problem is your facing the wrong way .
(With apologies to all Lefties)

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Saw a great video by Padraig Harrington a couple of days ago. His exact words were something like “people need to remember we play a game called GOLF not GOLF Swing”

He then went on to add more insights but basically it came down to why get so focused on certain swing positions, emulating perfect swings etc. The only thing that matters is a repeatable impact position.

Probably one of the most insightful instructional videos I’ve watched because he was right, there was no technical jargon just getting people to understand all that matters was the 6” at the bottom of the swing and learning how to score instead of worrying what it all looks like!

 

[Orikoru]

Saw a great video by Padraig Harrington a couple of days ago. His exact words were something like “people need to remember we play a game called GOLF not GOLF Swing”

He then went on to add more insights but basically it came down to why get so focused on certain swing positions, emulating perfect swings etc. The only thing that matters is a repeatable impact position.

Probably one of the most insightful instructional videos I’ve watched because he was right, there was no technical jargon just getting people to understand all that matters was the 6” at the bottom of the swing and learning how to score instead of worrying what it all looks like!

Yup, completely agree. If I started trying to think about what my wrist position was doing I doubt I'd make contact with the ball.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Yup, completely agree. If I started trying to think about what my wrist position was doing I doubt I'd make contact with the ball.

I know that if I start thinking about the swing whilst I’m actually swinging club I start brining a hook into my game. On the range I’ll practice things but on the course all I want to achieve is an empty mind and my only focus is the target. I have a simple brain to much confuses me

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Saw a great video by Padraig Harrington a couple of days ago. His exact words were something like “people need to remember we play a game called GOLF not GOLF Swing”

He then went on to add more insights but basically it came down to why get so focused on certain swing positions, emulating perfect swings etc. The only thing that matters is a repeatable impact position.

Probably one of the most insightful instructional videos I’ve watched because he was right, there was no technical jargon just getting people to understand all that matters was the 6” at the bottom of the swing and learning how to score instead of worrying what it all looks like!

What I say to Academy members when I take them out for a few holes…I can’t tell you anything about the golf swing and I’m not going to try, but I’ll show you how you can get a ball round a golf course in a good score.

 

[Orikoru]

I know that if I start thinking about the swing whilst I’m actually swinging club I start brining a hook into my game. On the range I’ll practice things but on the course all I want to achieve is an empty mind and my only focus is the target. I have a simple brain to much confuses me

Yeah I can't do swing positions, baffling how anyone can without their swing becoming robotic. I just go with feelings that either work or don't - e.g. "keep the clubhead low" or "keep my elbows somewhat close together".

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

What I say to Academy members when I take them out for a few holes…I can’t tell you anything about the golf swing and I’m not going to try, but I’ll show you how you can get a ball round a golf course in a good score.

That’s what the game is ultimately about. As a kid my dad would take me and my brother with him and was allowed to only hit balls from 100yards , he’d let us chip, putt and do bits around the greens. It was only when I was old enough / big enough to swing ladies clubs that he’d let me play full shots and just said hit hard until you get used to making contact then dialed it back. Basically he taught us how to score before we learnt to swing properly. I’d say now even after I had a long lay off from playing that’s the reason I can still get round in decent scores because I love hitting short shots and trying things round the greens.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Yeah I can't do swing positions, baffling how anyone can without their swing becoming robotic. I just go with feelings that either work or don't - e.g. "keep the clubhead low" or "keep my elbows somewhat close together".

Even that’s a lot of swing thoughts for me . My only swing focus on course is tempo, I know if I swing to fast/rush it I ended up coming way over the top and I hook it into different post codes. Genuinely I focus on having a really lazy swing otherwise I’m absolutely crap.

 

[Klimski]

Your wrists are not controllable in the golf swing to the extent that some coaches claim that they are. Manipulating what wrist angles are etc are only a last resort measure once you are a +6 handicap and all other options have been exhausted.

 

[harpo_72]

Cheers … I don’t think I will worry about it I have managed to improve my striking significantly. The direction isn’t bad and I can perfect that and shape is really small but that’s because my path is consistent- just variable is my face angle but I think I have got that sorted now!
As for swing thoughts I am definitely guilty of having too many .. when I go into auto pilot or daydream mode my golf is perfect.. might start just listening to music instead whilst playing!

 

[bobmac]

This just shows you how we are all different.
I have 3 swing thoughts...don't set the wrists, pause at the top and drive to a balanced finish.
Some may say it's robotic, I like to think of it as repetitive and producing consistent results.
My lowest h/cap before turning pro was 2 so I was doing something right.

 

[sunshine]

It’s pretty easy to see what’s wrong with your swing. You’re wearing jeans.

 

[harpo_72]

This just shows you how we are all different.
I have 3 swing thoughts...don't set the wrists, pause at the top and drive to a balanced finish.
Some may say it's robotic, I like to think of it as repetitive and producing consistent results.
My lowest h/cap before turning pro was 2 so I was doing something right.

Yes I definitely am suffering with a cluttered head. Lowest I have been was 3.2 in 1998 after starting in 1996. I then was told to make a decision about my future and had to concentrate on my engineering career. But I played sporadically to less than 5 for 10yrs and in 2013 held a 5 hcp but now I am around a 10 index .. so something is wrong. It might be me not accepting that I can’t do what I used to do. I played metronomic golf rarely missed greens and fairways- never practiced bunker play because I never went in them. The weakest part of my game was putting that stopped me going massively under par but it also forced my approach play to be good.
I am also trying to simplify it all .. as in I look at the target pull the yardage and play the shot .. not worry about stance position or lie, as these were just settings and the swing was just applied

 

[kp17]

Saw a great video by Padraig Harrington a couple of days ago. His exact words were something like “people need to remember we play a game called GOLF not GOLF Swing”

He then went on to add more insights but basically it came down to why get so focused on certain swing positions, emulating perfect swings etc. The only thing that matters is a repeatable impact position.

Probably one of the most insightful instructional videos I’ve watched because he was right, there was no technical jargon just getting people to understand all that matters was the 6” at the bottom of the swing and learning how to score instead of worrying what it all looks like!

Great quote, there’s also a compilation type video that floats about social media every now and then where someone’s crammed about 100 pro golfers positions at the top into a couple minutes video, from furyk to John daly, Garcia, matt wolf, rahm, fowler, monty etc etc.
Good perspective for those a million miles off the level these guys play.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Went back through Jamies lessons on the V1 app yesterday, he had the club in the wrong position at the top. Toe pointing too far down so his hands were having too much to do in the swing.
Slight change added 10 yards to his shots in the sim.
I’ve added a photo but you might have to zoom in to see the difference.

 

[harpo_72]

More work this morning and a few holes during the week.
I had my suspicions that the ping g430 (retro lofts 1/2” longer) irons were long but our range dips away from us so it’s a false positive regarding total distance. I was flying the 175 yard and rolling out to the 200 yard marker. So my approximation was 180yards was the distance, confirmed in general play. The gapping between all the other irons is not 10 yards I think it opens up so 8 iron is 160-165 , 9 150-155, PW 135-140, 46 gap 125-135, 50 gap 115-120 ish .. the lofted end of the bag is manageable but the long irons now called 7,6 and 5 are ridiculous!
I was using my first ever clubs which were a half set of Mizuno impacts and yes the 5 was shorter than the G430 7 iron by 5 yards .. it was plenty straight enough and to be fair if I had the 3 or 4 I would have hit those fine as well ..
Anyway now I am trying to see if I can play with my MP20 7-PW and HMB 5-6 set .. as I feel the G430s are great but lacking finesse on the chipping and distance gaps.

 

[sunshine]

8 iron is 160-165 , 9 150-155, PW 135-140, 46 gap 125-135, 50 gap 115-120 ish .. the lofted end of the bag is manageable but the long irons now called 7,6 and 5 are ridiculous!

My PW is 46 degrees loft and carry distance is 130. I see that is now called a gap wedge. The vintage aficionados will probably call it an 8 iron

At some point you are just going to have a bag of wedges and maybe a 24 degree 9 iron...

 

[Voyager EMH]

My PW is 46 degrees loft and carry distance is 130. I see that is now called a gap wedge. The vintage aficionados will probably call it an 8 iron

At some point you are just going to have a bag of wedges and maybe a 24 degree 9 iron...

Good point, but,

The 8 and 9 iron are what they are.
The 46° is an 11-iron, because the PW is really a 10-iron and the 50° is the PW.

8, 9, 10, 11 and PW is what he has there.





Getting it right never caught on, though.