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I hope they do, take care bluewolf and good luck to your daughter :thup:.
Worlds gone mad
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I hope they do, take care bluewolf and good luck to your daughter :thup:.
Slime
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I've made no sweeping statements intending to belittle anybody.
I gave my opinion on girls in F1 and was then accused of saying that girls are less able than boys.
In some instances they are, in others it's the other way around.
That's just how it is ......................... don't you agree?
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I don’t think you and me would agree on much
Slime
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Fair enough, I'll happily agree to disagree ....................... but I've not called you a bit of a dick.
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Not knowing if muscles and strength were important in F1 racing and perhaps thinking it maybe, did a quick google to read about out of interest for myself, as I have always believed anyone can be whatever they want to be and came across this older article with the :-
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/18332772
Found it a good read, so thought I would post up and sounds like basically the strength thing, is not really important and brains are more important. There were other articles that perhaps said otherwise and also from some articles sounds like more women are knocking on the door at 'lower' levels, which can only mean that more will break though.
Reading this articles has certainly beats practise putting tonight, thanks:thup:
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/18332772
Found it a good read, so thought I would post up and sounds like basically the strength thing, is not really important and brains are more important. There were other articles that perhaps said otherwise and also from some articles sounds like more women are knocking on the door at 'lower' levels, which can only mean that more will break though.
Reading this articles has certainly beats practise putting tonight, thanks:thup:
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Sweep
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Manchester Art Gallery has removed Hylas and the Nymphs by JW Waterhouse to “spark debate†about paintings depicting young girls. Apparently visitors can put up post-it notes to express their feelings about this. One person wrote “Feminism gone mad. I am ashamed to be a feministâ€.
Funny, I thought art galleries were supposed to display art not conduct political experiments, but maybe that’s just me.
Oddly no-one seems to have suggested or even thought about removing art depicting violence, war or murder.
The very fact that we are even considering this shows that in a few short weeks this shift towards a puritanical society has gone too far.
If we are removing art how is this going to help us educate our young? Perhaps parents should consider this aspect of their children’s lives too?
Just a few months ago we were condemning ISIS for destroying art and ancient architecture. To me this has echoes of that.
IMO this gallery is a disgrace to its own reason for being. Any public funding should be withdrawn.
As I said in an earlier post, when will this have gone too far for your own comfort? Are we there yet? Or are you hungry for more? That Venus Di Milo had nice boobs. We can have that in a crusher by this afternoon if you like.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/entertainment-arts-42904024
Funny, I thought art galleries were supposed to display art not conduct political experiments, but maybe that’s just me.
Oddly no-one seems to have suggested or even thought about removing art depicting violence, war or murder.
The very fact that we are even considering this shows that in a few short weeks this shift towards a puritanical society has gone too far.
If we are removing art how is this going to help us educate our young? Perhaps parents should consider this aspect of their children’s lives too?
Just a few months ago we were condemning ISIS for destroying art and ancient architecture. To me this has echoes of that.
IMO this gallery is a disgrace to its own reason for being. Any public funding should be withdrawn.
As I said in an earlier post, when will this have gone too far for your own comfort? Are we there yet? Or are you hungry for more? That Venus Di Milo had nice boobs. We can have that in a crusher by this afternoon if you like.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/entertainment-arts-42904024
bluewolf
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I strongly disagree with the removal of the painting. However, it has done what the Curator wanted. It's provoked debate. I don't agree with your comparisons though. They are somewhat wide of the mark.
Whilst I believe its a bit OTT removing the picture I really appreciate that it has sparked quite a debate. And it is the debate that will help society recalibrate itself. Maybe the means will justify the end.
Sweep
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Was the debate even needed? Is that the role of a gallery?
Are my comparisons really wide of the mark? Would you have thought we would be talking about the removal of a painting just a few weeks ago?
The title of this thread is getting more apt by the hour.
Sweep
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What if the general view was that all such art should be removed? Now that would be funny. The gallery would crap itself. It would have nothing to show.
I always thought Manchester Art Gallery took up too much space in a prime area. It’s a cracking spot for a McDonalds.
I always thought Manchester Art Gallery took up too much space in a prime area. It’s a cracking spot for a McDonalds.
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Debate is never a bad thing, is it? Do you not appreciate the irony in attempting to deny the debate, as well as threatening the future of the Gallery (which is usually excellent) by trying to remove funding from it, just because you disagree with the action it took.
Sweep
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Where on earth do you get that I am trying to stifle the debate? I am posting about it. I am encouraging the debate. Instead of sttacking the poster how about you debate the topic?
In my view the gallery is there to display art and promote the arts. Not to deny public access to works of art or impose censorship. Any public money it receives is to promote access to art for the public. If it isn’t going to do that then what are we paying for?
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Calm down. I'm not attacking anyone.
The gallery has done something. Something I disagree with. It's started a debate. Hopefully, they'll take on board the comments and we'll all learn something.
With regards to public funding. We're not all going to agree with where public money goes. Demanding that funding should stop because we don't agree with the message is unnecessary. The gallery has done something that will most likely prove very useful in the long term. Now I'm not a fan of deliberately provocative art, but surely they've fulfilled their remit...
Sweep
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How can it be useful for a gallery to not show art?
How is a gallery fulfilling a remit by not showing art?
Give the painting to a gallery who will display it. That is what the public pay for.
Again, how far down this road do we have to go before it’s too far for you? What if it doesn’t stop there?
To me this is a very worrying escalation. Much of my posting on this thread has been in relation to us sleepwalking into giving away personal freedoms. This is not unprecedented. There are ultra conservative nation’s within a 6 hour plane ride from here. I don’t need to tell you about what living there means for women but if we went as far as women being covered head to toe, would that be too far for you? Or is that OK? Is that the future we want for our daughters?
We are very rich indeed if we can afford to whittle away freedoms because once they are gone it’s a lot harder to win them back. We are playing with fire.
As I posted here earlier, the victorians were in public at least very straight laced, going as far as covering the lower legs of furniture because they resembled ladies ankles and a lady never showed her ankles. JW Waterhouse was a Victorian artist. Even the victorians has no issue with it. It’s art. It’s not porn. If we can’t tell the difference then we have lost the plot. I never thought I would ever live to see the day 150 year old paintings were censored in Britain. Britain of all places.
Last night I watched a dating show where people met naked. Completely uncensored.This morning we are removing paintings depicting nudity. The world really has gone mad.
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I totally agree with your sentiment.
It's a good job that the Sistine Chapel is not in this country!
A magnificent piece of art, full of nudity, I shudder at the thought of what may happen.
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By making it specific to his daughter you absolutely started that, it’s worrying that you can’t see that.
Re the art gallery, I’m sure one of its cornerstones is to encourage debate & hold a mirror up to society, sounds like its doing that to me.
All this talk of painting over anything or burning books is reactionary nonsense. Some art has been removed, it can be replaced, sounds a pretty clever idea to me.
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If it has been removed purely because it doesn't fit some groups idea of 'political correctness'...
Then that is totally and utterly so wrong...
Just as it was totally and utterly wrong when one sector complained about the chap dressed as a girl [at my place of work] as it didn't fit their idea of 'political correctness'...
The world needs a kick up the backside in hope of it causing a return to reasonableness... Hey ho..
Folk need to allowed to be what they want to be unless it actually causes harm to others..
Damaged feelings don't count...
And, those that feel the need of doing holier than thou can shove it...
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If it has been removed to fit some puritanical agenda then that’s wrong, it’s my belief that’s it’s a ‘debate provoker’ Which is interesting.
I do reckon it’s gonna be an ‘interesting’ period until an equilibrium is reached, but extreme actions/examples only polarise and entrench people. The current climate does make you challenge some of the previous norms & not all of them look good under the current spotlight. There may be a few more of these ‘worlds gone mad’ moments
I do reckon it’s gonna be an ‘interesting’ period until an equilibrium is reached, but extreme actions/examples only polarise and entrench people. The current climate does make you challenge some of the previous norms & not all of them look good under the current spotlight. There may be a few more of these ‘worlds gone mad’ moments
