World Handicap System (WHS)

[IanMcC]

We don't have any 'acceptable' comps now till March. (Thank Christ!! )

 

[3offTheTee]

Played 4BBB a matchplay today. The other 3 thought their course handicap was what they should play off and take shots from the lowest handicapper.

I tried to explain but they were not interested. These were 3 guys with over 120 years of playing between them!

 

[jim8flog]

That would make sense, what is the correct procedure?

The correct procedure is that each player calculates their playing handicap (90% allowance) and then shots get taken off the lowest handicap player.

 

[Old Skier]

Surely the calculation is done off the course handicap the same way as before

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The correct procedure is that each player calculates their playing handicap (90% allowance) and then shots get taken off the lowest handicap player.

When did that become the correct procedure?

It’s just the same as before - each player takes 90% difference from the lowest player using course handicap ?

 

[rulefan]

That would make sense, what is the correct procedure?

Appendix C Example 2

Calculate individual playing handicaps (ie 90% of CH) first.
Lowest capper set to 0. Reduce others by the difference in PHs.

 

[larmen]

Silly question, why is there a playing handicap? Shouldn’t a course handicap be enough? Or shouldn’t the factor for the playing handicap be rolled up into the course handicap?

 

[Old Skier]

Appendix C Example 2

Calculate individual playing handicaps (ie 90% of CH) first.
Lowest capper set to 0. Reduce others by the difference in PHs.

Talk about making a simple system complicated

 

[Old Skier]

When did that become the correct procedure?

It’s just the same as before - each player takes 90% difference from the lowest player using course handicap ?

Going by @rulefan post you and me and I suspect many others would have got this wrong.

 

[rulefan]

When did that become the correct procedure?

It’s just the same as before - each player takes 90% difference from the lowest player using course handicap ?

How can it be the same as before? There was never a Playing Handicap before.

 

[Mozza14]

So the graph wouldn't include the latest score that changed my index from 7.6 to 8.2? That makes no sense.

Finally someone on the forum who realises the table of scores and the Handicap Index does not match up. For any score and differential ,it shows the HI that you played with on that day. It would have been so much more logical to have calculated the HI on each line after the round. Anyone looking at the scores table sees a value at the top which isn't your current HI.

As you rightly say, the graphs then do not show the current HI or match it up against the score which produced it. Crazy !!

Looking at the friends facility it is also picking up a summary of the top line of the scores table which isn't the final index.

The penny will eventually drop.

 

[rulefan]

So I'll take today's example of what we did under normal rules:

Handicaps 1, 7, 7 & 12, so 5, 5 and 10 shots were given.

Whenever WHS gets sorted we're supposed to take 90% of each handicap first, and take the shots from the lowest?

90% is 1, 6, 6 and 11, the differences are 5, 5 and 10.

When does it make a difference?

When rounding is involved.

 

[Old Skier]

How can it be the same as before? There was never a Playing Handicap before.

Yes there was, it was called “ Your Handicap “

 

[fenwayrich]

So I'll take today's example of what we did under normal rules:

Handicaps 1, 7, 7 & 12, so 5, 5 and 10 shots were given.

Whenever WHS gets sorted we're supposed to take 90% of each handicap first, and take the shots from the lowest?

90% is 1, 6, 6 and 11, the differences are 5, 5 and 10.

When does it make a difference?

Handicaps 5, 9, 16, 20, shots were 4, 10 and 14

Revised playing handicaps at 90% are 5, 8, 14 and 18, so the shots are 3, 9 and 13.

 

[3offTheTee]

Appendix C Example 2

Calculate individual playing handicaps (ie 90% of CH) first.
Lowest capper set to 0. Reduce others by the difference in PHs.

OK I am now worried whether they were right and I wrong.

Course Handicaps were 13,16,17 and 21leaving 3,4, and 8 shots.

I thought as it was 4 ball Matchplay as opposed to singles the Playing handicap for ALL is reduced by 90% leave 12, 14, 15 and 19 with 2 3 and 7 shots received.

Rulefan please confirm otherwise I need to start reading WHS again

 

[Deleted member 15344]

How can it be the same as before? There was never a Playing Handicap before.

Are you really going to be that pedantic ?

It was called “your handicap”

 

[IanM]

The fact that a four ball each averaging 30 years experience ( mentioned above) don't know how to play 4bbb under whs , just demonstrates what a dogs breakfast this is. Over engineered and poorly communicated.

But I guess if they gave up playing and spent the time studying the manual, it would be ok!

 

[IanM]

Are you really going to be that pedantic ?

Eh...see Appendix F. Section 3.1. Subsection 7b

 

[IanM]

To be honest, it's more a reflection on them. The information is there for anyone prepared to engage with it.

I'm think the truth is more in the middle. I've been very flippant on these pages, but I've learned far more from this forum than the official material.

People absorb information on very different ways. I think they have catered for the detail bunnies, not average Joe.

I mentioned lack of stakeholder engagement in other post. A golf official i know challenged me about this, then demonstrated he didn't understand who his stakeholders were.

 

[rulefan]

Are you really going to be that pedantic ?

It was called “your handicap”

But you only had one 'your handicap' now you may have two. One for handicapping calculations and one for competition results.
Plus the ones called 'Exact' and 'Index'

However, being pedantic in golf can often save you shots