World Handicap System (WHS)

[Yogidog1]

Hi guys,bad news about golf being lockdowned.Iam having issues with Howdidido I can login but when I put club in,it saying no one of this name is know at this clubis anyone having same issue ? England golf/club have all necessary info required so can't understand this problem.Should I just wait any let time take it's course while lockdown is on ?

 

[rulefan]

Fancy turning up for your regular fourball having not studied Appendix C, Example 2 the night before.

Tut tut ?

When you get a new game in your Xmas stocking don't you read the rules?
But I must admit my grandson always beat me at Snakes & Ladders. He hadn't read the bit about snakes.

 

[IanM]

When you get a new game in your Xmas stocking don't you read the rules?
But I must admit my grandson always beat me at Snakes & Ladders. He hadn't read the bit about snakes.

This will be a shock to you, but a significant percentage of the population do not read instructions on anything. Of course, any decent change management professional would have told the rules nerds about Behavioural Norms, but of course, I don't think they hired any! Sure you need to write instructions, but they need to be pitch at the broadest band of recipients.

Edit: Had a chat with our Society Sec this morning. Will continue to administer own handicaps next season and not adopt any changes. Although a note is going out asking members to "do the decent thing" if they are playing home course off fewer shots than they get on Soc Days! What are other Societies doing???

 

[pmgolfer99]

Hi guys,bad news about golf being lockdowned.Iam having issues with Howdidido I can login but when I put club in,it saying no one of this name is know at this clubis anyone having same issue ? England golf/club have all necessary info required so can't understand this problem.Should I just wait any let time take it's course while lockdown is on ?

Have you got a handicap? At my club, you only get access to HowdidIdo once you have one

 

[Old Skier]

Have you got a handicap? At my club, you only get access to HowdidIdo once you have one

Also your club admin need to have taken appropriate action . Check other members have access and your email address on system is the same as the one your using.

 

[jim8flog]

This will be a shock to you, but a significant percentage of the population do not read instructions on anything.

I would agree with that.

You would be amazed at the number of players who come up to me with a Rules query and the first thing I say is that it is on the back of the card in the Local Rules.

 

[Fish]

I’m not sure if this ‘percentage’ topic is the same, but I’ve now just noticed on my IG app that I’ve got a ‘course’ and ‘playing’ handicap, with the latter having (95%) in brackets and showing me a shot less than when doing my calculation with my index & slope at my club?

Is this solely for Matchplay?

If not, why do I have a course & a different playing handicap?

I fully understand my index and the calculations to do against slopes to get to my playing handicap, but I don’t understand this double meaning and the display of 95%?

 

[balaclava]

I know this question must have been asked 100 times and I am sure the answer is in the 89 pages of this thread but I can't find it . . . .
I have three numbers; a HC index (HCI), a course rating (CR) and a slope rating (SR)
Q1. Where does the HC Index number come from - how was that calculated?
Q2. What is the formula used to calculate the Course HC e.g. HCI x CR / SR?
Q3. I presume that the Playing HC is 95% of the Course HC?

 

[Imurg]

I’m not sure if this ‘percentage’ topic is the same, but I’ve now just noticed on my IG app that I’ve got a ‘course’ and ‘playing’ handicap, with the latter having (95%) in brackets and showing me a shot less than when doing my calculation with my index & slope at my club?

Is this solely for Matchplay?

If not, why do I have a course & a different playing handicap?

I fully understand my index and the calculations to do against slopes to get to my playing handicap, but I don’t understand this double meaning and the display of 95%?

Somewhere there's a table showing allowances from your course handicap
Singles strokeplay, so medal and stableford are 95% of your course handicap.

 

[Fish]

Somewhere there's a table showing allowances from your course handicap
Singles strokeplay, so medal and stableford are 95% of your course handicap.

So when I was working out my playing handicap using the formula of my index against my slope (13.5 x 139 divided by 113= 17) that isn’t the case when in even a singles Comp, I lose 95% which is another shot?

What’s the point of having a course handicap if I’ve always got to take 95% off it?

 

[Imurg]

So when I was working out my playing handicap using the formula of my index against my slope (13.5 x 139 divided by 113= 17) that isn’t the case when in even a singles Comp, I lose 95% which is another shot?

What’s the point of having a course handicap if I’ve always got to take 95% off it?

Because........


No, can't answer that one.

 

[YandaB]

Because........


No, can't answer that one.

Because in singles matchplay it is 100%

 

[jim8flog]

So when I was working out my playing handicap using the formula of my index against my slope (13.5 x 139 divided by 113= 17) that isn’t the case when in even a singles Comp, I lose 95% which is another shot?

What’s the point of having a course handicap if I’ve always got to take 95% off it?

You only take 95% off in singles medal/stableford comps

There are a whole load of other percentage changes n other comps and there has has always been

Singles match play course and playing handicap are the same.

 

[Fish]

Hmm, so are you saying if I play a social roll up round I’m off 17 as per the formula but in a qualifying medal/stableford Comp I’m off 16?

 

[jim8flog]

Hmm, so are you saying if I play a social roll up round I’m off 17 as per the formula but in a qualifying medal/stableford Comp I’m off 16?

The main point about the 95% is to maintain the gap between a high and lowish handicap player.

The slope rating system 'favours' a high handicap

E.g say 125 slope

A player with a H.I. of 9 gets a course and playing handicap of 10
A player with H.I. of 29 gets a course handicap of 32 the 95% brings him back to 30

In that way the the difference of 20 shots between them is maintained.

What you do amongst your mates is up to you to agree.

 

[pmgolfer99]

Hmm, so are you saying if I play a social roll up round I’m off 17 as per the formula but in a qualifying medal/stableford Comp I’m off 16?

Sounds correct - also, for the comp for handicapping purposes, they will use the 17 - so on the hole where you lose a shot, if you get 0 stableford points by shooting a double, it would still count towards your handicap (rather than being deemed to be net double bogey)...

 

[rosecott]

Hmm, so are you saying if I play a social roll up round I’m off 17 as per the formula but in a qualifying medal/stableford Comp I’m off 16?

You've not really been paying attention, Robin, have you?

 

[Tashyboy]

Really struggling to get me head around this.

last competitive round of the year am sat at 15.2 on the WHS site which equates to 18 at my course and am playing off 16.7 Under stableford. So I shoot 34 points which is in the BZ. A day or so later my WHS Hcap is updated. It goes up to 16.00 ?. Which equates to 19 at my course rounded down to 18 after 95%. ? How does a BZ round make your hcap go up

 

[Imurg]

Really struggling to get me head around this.

last competitive round of the year am sat at 15.2 on the WHS site which equates to 18 at my course and am playing off 16.7 Under stableford. So I shoot 34 points which is in the BZ. A day or so later my WHS Hcap is updated. It goes up to 16.00 ?. Which equates to 19 at my course rounded down to 18 after 95%. ? How does a BZ round make your hcap go up

There is no buffer zone anymore.?.
Your 34 replaced the 20th score on your list.
If that was a good one, say 38 points, then your best 8 average is going to go up.

 

[Bigfoot]

This will be a shock to you, but a significant percentage of the population do not read instructions on anything. Of course, any decent change management professional would have told the rules nerds about Behavioural Norms, but of course, I don't think they hired any! Sure you need to write instructions, but they need to be pitch at the broadest band of recipients.

Edit: Had a chat with our Society Sec this morning. Will continue to administer own handicaps next season and not adopt any changes. Although a note is going out asking members to "do the decent thing" if they are playing home course off fewer shots than they get on Soc Days! What are other Societies doing???

Our society has decided to stick to our method for the moment - which is based on the old Congu system but our CSS comes from the player who was 5th ( depending on the amount taking part). We have club members and those that are not. Club members could use their index as the basis for the day but the nomads would then be based on something else so we decided to keep a level playing field.