World Handicap System (WHS)

[Swango1980]

Is someone able to explain to me the course handicap calculation for plus handicaps. My whs is +3.2, so if I play a course that a slope greater than 113 I could go to +4 course handicap. If we take an equivalent player off 3.2, then they will go to 4. So the gap between our handicap index and course handicap widens from 6 to 8 (i.e. +3 to 3 and then goes to +4 to 4).

If the courses slope is lower than 113, then my course handicap could potentially go to +2 (I know would want to be a very low, i.e 85) and the same person off 3.2 would then go to a 2 handicap, the gap will then go from 6 to 4 (i.e. +3 to 3 and then goes to +2 to 2).

Correct (I didn't check your maths, but the principle is sound).
For plus handicappers , they will get a lower handicap at high slope courses, and higher handicap at low slope courses. This may not make sense to some, as golfers with a handicap above 0 will get a higher course handicap at high slope courses and vice versa.

However, the reason for the above is because the course handicap is taking into account the relative difference between low and high handicappers. So, at very hard courses for high handicappers (high slope), the plus handicapper will get a lower handicap to increase the number of shots between them and the high handicappers. If slope were under 113, the course is much easier for high handicappers, and so the plus handicapper gets a higher handicap to close the gap between them and the high handicapper.

The slope is all about managing the relative difference between lower and higher handicappers, rather than the actual absolute difficulty of the course itself.

 

[jim8flog]

Normally I love maths and figures

This kind of stuff gets my inner need interested

But I've yet to make sense of what they have done

Trying to manually work it out but the guidance ain't amazing

I have been self calculating mine for months

I worked out mine at 9.5 low and behold my indicative index is 9.5

Looks like they are not getting them all wrong.

 

[Mandofred]

The par is irrelevant in this.

Your Course Rating (CR) off whites is 73.3, so 81.75 minus 73.3 = 8.45.

You multiply 8.45 by the equation 113/ Slope, which is 113/128 = 0.88.
8.45 x 0.88 = 7.4.

Not sure if my rounding is correct but being 0.5 out might be due to CSS, or indeed might be due to anything really ?‍

Actually, because I'm too lazy to really dig into this stuff.....the graph on the WHS site and where your counting scores are compared to the days comp helped me a bit. Most of my scores where under the days difficulty line.....so I guess that by itself would help explain the HI being lower than my actual scores.....hey, it's a theory.

 

[AmandaJR]

I'm intrigued that we've had an email from the General Manager with all the Ladies new WHS Handicap Indexes...seems from those on here that it's not quite the finished article yet.

 

[OBI-WAN]

Correct (I didn't check your maths, but the principle is sound).
For plus handicappers , they will get a lower handicap at high slope courses, and higher handicap at low slope courses. This may not make sense to some, as golfers with a handicap above 0 will get a higher course handicap at high slope courses and vice versa.

However, the reason for the above is because the course handicap is taking into account the relative difference between low and high handicappers. So, at very hard courses for high handicappers (high slope), the plus handicapper will get a lower handicap to increase the number of shots between them and the high handicappers. If slope were under 113, the course is much easier for high handicappers, and so the plus handicapper gets a higher handicap to close the gap between them and the high handicapper.

The slope is all about managing the relative difference between lower and higher handicappers, rather than the actual absolute difficulty of the course itself.

Thanks! This makes a bit more sense now.

 

[Imurg]

I'm intrigued that we've had an email from the General Manager with all the Ladies new WHS Handicap Indexes...seems from those on here that it's not quite the finished article yet.

Some are.
You might find all yours are up to date

 

[Crow]

Mine is now showing with scores from October, handicap index is 16.4 so tomorrow for my final game before lockdown I'll be playing from the yellow tees, off 18.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Very confused as I was 11.6 yesterday and now showing as 13,9 which is 15 off the whites. I started 2020 on 14 and worked hard to get to 12 so feel really deflated. HDID still showing 12.2

 

[Swango1980]

Mine is now showing with scores from October, handicap index is 16.4 so tomorrow for my final game before lockdown I'll be playing from the yellow tees, off 18.

Careful though. Mine show all October scores. However, it is using nothing from 2020 to calculate my Index

 

[GG26]

This morning mine had the October competition scores added for the first time, but these were not being used in calculating the index and it was showing at 17.7. Just checked again and its now been updated. I had calculated that it would reduce to 17.1 with my October results and that's what it now says.

 

[Deleted member 3432]

Mine has at least 3 scores missing and a dq with adj gross of 107 included when I did not even play in the comp that day.

I told our clown of a a handicap secretary about this weeks ago and he still has not removed it.

Apologies to other handicap secs but ours is getting paid to do it and the pro has confirmed to him the reason I did not submit a card was I wasn't in the comp

 

[Swango1980]

Mine has at least 3 scores missing and a dq with adj gross of 107 included when I did not even play in the comp that day.

I told our clown of a a handicap secretary about this weeks ago and he still has not removed it.

Apologies to other handicap secs but ours is getting paid to do it and the pro has confirmed to him the reason I did not submit a card was I wasn't in the comp

Was that score included as part of you Congu record?

 

[Deleted member 3432]

Was that score included as part of you Congu record?

Yes it was, I have been at him to remove it since the end of August.

To say I was shocked to see I got a .1 back and a handicap increase was an understatement when I was just having a friendly knockabout

 

[Swango1980]

Yes it was, I have been at him to remove it since the end of August.

To say I was shocked to see I got a .1 back and a handicap increase was an understatement when I was just having a friendly knockabout

Sounds bizarre. How did he get your score to enter into the system? Should have been fairly easy to remove.

 

[Crow]

Careful though. Mine show all October scores. However, it is using nothing from 2020 to calculate my Index

It's about what I'd calculated and was expecting, unfortunately.

 

[louise_a]

I have been self calculating mine for months

I worked out mine at 9.5 low and behold my indicative index is 9.5

Looks like they are not getting them all wrong.

mine too

 

[Swango1980]

It's about what I'd calculated and was expecting, unfortunately.

The ones at our club now look to have been updated in the last hour. My Index gone from 7.1 to 8.7.

 

[woofers]

Very confused as I was 11.6 yesterday and now showing as 13,9 which is 15 off the whites. I started 2020 on 14 and worked hard to get to 12 so feel really deflated. HDID still showing 12.2

I understand that the calculations on the England Golf Platform are correct, there is a delay in getting these uploaded to the ISVs such as IG and HDID.
Log in to your England Golf account and you should see your correct index.

 

[HampshireHog]

Very confused as I was 11.6 yesterday and now showing as 13,9 which is 15 off the whites. I started 2020 on 14 and worked hard to get to 12 so feel really deflated. HDID still showing 12.2

It seems unlikely that you would have dropped 2 shots in one system and gone up 1 in the other, unless you had gone very low and then had another 20 poor rounds. Had you worked out your expected HI?

 

[Deleted member 3432]

My name was on the start sheet but there is no obligation to play in comp which I didn't as I was struggling with my back.

When he looked at the returned cards and didn't see my name he assumed I did not return a card so dq'd me with the max score for my handicap.

I think the hcap sec just can't be arsed as he is at the club most days playing golf himself.....

I've not played any comps since or I could have had a bit of fun with it....