World Handicap System (WHS)

[TheJezster]

It's all a huge pile of mess! Ours are still incorrect, any score from 2019 and before have the default slope details entered (not our actual ones) which have a huge impact on the indexes.

Until it's sorted I suggest you just play off your congu handicap. There isn't anything else you can legitimately do!!

 

[USER1999]

Mine is a mess. HDID has my index at 10.1, Golf England has 8.5. I have loads of cards submitted over the last two years, but it has taken 6 from 18, not 8 from 20. It has ignored all results from 2020, some of which were ok.

How can they have made such a flipping mess of this.

 

[Billysboots]

Mine is a mess. HDID has my index at 10.1, Golf England has 8.5. I have loads of cards submitted over the last two years, but it has taken 6 from 18, not 8 from 20. It has ignored all results from 2020, some of which were ok.

How can they have made such a flipping mess of this.

Do not despair!

Mine was like that one minute - literally two minutes later all resolved.

 

[Swango1980]

Mine is a mess. HDID has my index at 10.1, Golf England has 8.5. I have loads of cards submitted over the last two years, but it has taken 6 from 18, not 8 from 20. It has ignored all results from 2020, some of which were ok.

How can they have made such a flipping mess of this.

It's been pretty atrocious. Had they said that 2nd November was the day they'd launch the WHS platform to everyone, but would not go LIVE until early 2021, then they could be forgiven. All these problems we are finding could simply be part of the beta testing, and it would have given them a few months to iron it out.

Best case scenario, most of the problems will be resolved in the next day or so, and then the first 2 days of mayhem will be quickly forgotten. But, I don't hold a lot of confidence. Obviously, they are getting many problems reported to them. It would be nice if they published a clear list of the main problems identified so far, which ones are being worked on and which ones will need to be resolved by Club Committees. I know they are flat out, but it would probably save them time in the long run, as it would stop a lot of people reporting problems individually if they'd already acknowledged publicly it had been raised.

 

[nickjdavis]

I got an index on the golf England website before the club had our slope rating confirmed I think that's the issue

We only opened as 18 in July been 9 until then

ahhh....thats understandable then

 

[Griffsters]

Mine has been updated during the day however all my results show from wrong tees, CR and slope. Anyone else seeing this?

 

[PJ87]

ahhh....thats understandable then

How does HI work like how do I actually calucate it .. nobody seems to give a straight forward answer

I've seen its score minus par ... For adjusted scores etc then add your scores and divide by (2 for me as I got 7 cards)

However how would slope affect this??

 

[nickjdavis]

It would be nice if they published a clear list of the main problems identified so far, which ones are being worked on and which ones will need to be resolved by Club Committees. I know they are flat out, but it would probably save them time in the long run, as it would stop a lot of people reporting problems individually if they'd already acknowledged publicly it had been raised.

I've emailed them suggesting that they do the very thing you suggest.

 

[Bwgan]

Looks like our very latest results have been uploaded and now its actually using the latest 2020 results..
However, our CR & Slope are still wrong for both sets of Tees and whenever there is a result that the CSS was different/PCC this hasn't changed the calculation??

 

[Swango1980]

How does HI work like how do I actually calucate it .. nobody seems to give a straight forward answer

I've seen its score minus par ... For adjusted scores etc then add your scores and divide by (2 for me as I got 7 cards)

However how would slope affect this??

Paul. For each round, you take your adjusted gross and minus the Course Rating (not Par). Then, for the answer of each of these, you multiply by 113/Slope. That gives you your Score Differential for that round. Then it is the average of the score differentials (for your best rounds, 8 if you have 20 rounds) which gives your Handicap Index

PCC would also figure in the calculation, but the above assumes PCC=0

 

[PJ87]

Paul. For each round, you take your adjusted gross and minus the Course Rating (not Par). Then, for the answer of each of these, you multiply by 113/Slope. That gives you your Score Differential for that round. Then it is the average of the score differentials (for your best rounds, 8 if you have 20 rounds) which gives your Handicap Index

PCC would also figure in the calculation, but the above assumes PCC=0

Thank you just why can't I seem to get that answer from Google it goes into explaining all the bits everyone understands already!!!! Least I can work out my index maybe now .. rough idea

 

[PJ87]

Paul. For each round, you take your adjusted gross and minus the Course Rating (not Par). Then, for the answer of each of these, you multiply by 113/Slope. That gives you your Score Differential for that round. Then it is the average of the score differentials (for your best rounds, 8 if you have 20 rounds) which gives your Handicap Index

PCC would also figure in the calculation, but the above assumes PCC=0

Going by this formula I should be 24.5 .. my index came back at 20.6 which is prob due to those incorrect slopes

 

[Swango1980]

Thank you just why can't I seem to get that answer from Google it goes into explaining all the bits everyone understands already!!!! Least I can work out my index maybe now .. rough idea

If you go to Congu site, WHS section, the WHS Manual is there. Page 46 starts the Handicap Index calculation by describing Score Differential (Section 5.1). The next section shows how that is used to get Index.

 

[rulefan]

I've found that for my pea brain, getting to the HI a slightly different way of doing the calculation suits me.

For example,made up numbers (nothing higher than double) :
8 best scores, 72,73,73,77,78,80, 80, 81 = 614.
Course Rating 71.5 x 8 = 572
Average is 614 minus 572, then divide by 8 = 5.25

Then just multiply that by 113/Slope (eg 125) = 5.25 x 0.9 = HI 4.7.

This assumes no change to CSS/PCC but is a guideline.

Once you know 8 x your CR, and 113/your Slope, both of which will be burned into your memory, all you then need is the total of your current best 8.

Hope that makes sense.

That assumes you are always playing from the same tees.

 

[PJ87]

Two of those scores are 9 holes .. for some reason it puts them as over 100? God knows but the two that count for my index should have been done on slope of 117 and the other 121 as we played one Comp yellows one white

So following the advice here I should be off 24.5

Old handicap under congu was 25.4 so that works out

But the index has come back at 20.6 .. right now I wouldn't have a chance off that maybe In 6 months

 

[Swango1980]

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Two of those scores are 9 holes .. for some reason it puts them as over 100? God knows but the two that count for my index should have been done on slope of 117 and the other 121 as we played one Comp yellows one white

So following the advice here I should be off 24.5

Old handicap under congu was 25.4 so that works out

But the index has come back at 20.6 .. right now I wouldn't have a chance off that maybe In 6 months

I wouldn't worry about it right now. It appears nearly everybody's handicap is wrong in the WHS site now anyway. I was 8.6 yesterday, I'm 7.1 now. Presumably because 2020 scores have been ignored completely

 

[PJ87]

I wouldn't worry about it right now. It appears nearly everybody's handicap is wrong in the WHS site now anyway. I was 8.6 yesterday, I'm 7.1 now. Presumably because 2020 scores have been ignored completely

I feel for anyone playing in a comp say wednesday lol what on earth would they play off?

 

[Swango1980]

I feel for anyone playing in a comp say wednesday lol what on earth would they play off?

Our competition committee are considering asking players in winter knockouts to play off their CONGU handicaps, as they were at end of October. And, likely to keep that in place until WHS can be trusted. The Seniors have a competition on Wednesday. They did ask me how they should run it, and I suggested they could try using WHS as an early trial run. However, I may message them back tomorrow to tell them not to bother. There is at least one senior who has no WHS record at all. It is as if he has been completely missed out in the transition. And, he had a CDH number, and had been a member for years, and regularly entered scores. I've no idea how many others will fall into this category, it will only become apparent when they try to register with WHS and cannot do so

 

[OBI-WAN]

Is someone able to explain to me the course handicap calculation for plus handicaps. My whs is +3.2, so if I play a course that a slope greater than 113 I could go to +4 course handicap. If we take an equivalent player off 3.2, then they will go to 4. So the gap between our handicap index and course handicap widens from 6 to 8 (i.e. +3 to 3 and then goes to +4 to 4).

If the courses slope is lower than 113, then my course handicap could potentially go to +2 (I know would want to be a very low, i.e 85) and the same person off 3.2 would then go to a 2 handicap, the gap will then go from 6 to 4 (i.e. +3 to 3 and then goes to +2 to 2).

 

[94tegsi]

I’m not suggesting they won’t be included, but clearly your HI is based on the average of your best 8 scores, so a good round which would previously have led to a significant cut in your CONGU handicap won’t have quite the same impact on your HI.

I think.

Sorry, not sure what you mean. All I’m saying is that it doesn’t look like they are including a medal score with a gross adjusted score 6 shots better than my eighth best counting score. In rough terms would be 6/8 of a shot once you factor in the other variables.