World Handicap System (WHS)

[Wabinez]

Nope, it's not apparent what the algorithm for calculating it is. I've got a rough idea but that's comparing my scores vs CSS and I don't know if that's how they're doing it. Would be nice to get an "official" estimate.

I used this a few weeks back. Filled out my last 20 competition rounds (can’t remember social, so just filled out details from comps) and let it calculate for me

https://www.calculator.net/golf-handicap-calculator.html

 

[jim8flog]

Thanks for that.

Sadly most of the courses for my last 20 rounds don’t have course/slope ratings. Looks like indexes can’t be calculated until all the courses are rated?

All of my records come from courses that do not have slope ratings. Even if they did they would not be shown in my handicap history that only comes in with the new system.

You can get a fairly good idea just using net differential from your handicap history. The calculation that England Golf will be simply based upon the same and I cannot see them bothering to go back and do the conversions just to come up with roughly the same answer.

When you read the WHS briefs they centre around the ongoing process once it has started and hence show slope ratings.

 

[BubbaP]

I did mine the other day just using CSS and the average came out as 9.25, I'm currently 9.3 on current system. As my previous course closed it'll never be rated.

 

[jim8flog]

I used this a few weeks back. Filled out my last 20 competition rounds (can’t remember social, so just filled out details from comps) and let it calculate for me

https://www.calculator.net/golf-handicap-calculator.html

You would not use social rounds anyway unless they were registered as Supplementary Scores.

 

[Wabinez]

Thanks for that.

Sadly most of the courses for my last 20 rounds don’t have course/slope ratings. Looks like indexes can’t be calculated until all the courses are rated?

ah rubbish. I got all mine from the USGA database so was easy to fill out.

didnt like the answer it threw back at me though!!

 

[Crow]

I used this a few weeks back. Filled out my last 20 competition rounds (can’t remember social, so just filled out details from comps) and let it calculate for me

https://www.calculator.net/golf-handicap-calculator.html

Just used this for my last 20 medal rounds at my home course and considering how awfully I've scored over the last couple of years (one cut and 4 buffers in the 20 rounds entered) I was surprised to see it give 14.8 as my handicap index, only 0.8 above my current handicap.

 

[rulefan]

I used this a few weeks back. Filled out my last 20 competition rounds (can’t remember social, so just filled out details from comps) and let it calculate for me

https://www.calculator.net/golf-handicap-calculator.html

Note that the 'Course Handicap Calculator' does not work for CONGU as Par takes no part in the calculation here. It should be entered as the same as Course Rating.

See also the official USGA version

https://www.usga.org/course-handicap-calculator.html

 

[rulefan]

All of my records come from courses that do not have slope ratings. Even if they did they would not be shown in my handicap history that only comes in with the new system.

You can get a fairly good idea just using net differential from your handicap history. The calculation that England Golf will be simply based upon the same and I cannot see them bothering to go back and do the conversions just to come up with roughly the same answer.

When you read the WHS briefs they centre around the ongoing process once it has started and hence show slope ratings.

The transition will use slope for rated courses and an 'average slope' for courses yet to be rated.

 

[Fish]

I just used that calculator, when I put my index in, which I assume is my current handicap, then the slope, par etc, I get 4 extra shots!

However, I've just put 13 medal rounds in and it gives me a handicap of 3 shots less than my current handicap?

 

[doublebogey7]

I just used that calculator, when I put my index in, which I assume is my current handicap, then the slope, par etc, I get 4 extra shots!

However, I've just put 13 medal rounds in and it gives me a handicap of 3 shots less than my current handicap?

No, you need to calculate your index first using the 13 rounds, then put that number to one decimal place in the top section, this will give you your course handicap

 

[Fish]

No, you need to calculate your index first using the 13 rounds, then put that number to one decimal place in the top section, this will give you your course handicap

Thanks for the clarification.

I’ve now put the calculated index in over those 13 rounds, which is 2.2 shots lower than my actual handicap now, this gives me 1 extra shot on my home course to that of my current handicap and 4 shots greater than my index over those 13 rounds ?

 

[jim8flog]

Note that the 'Course Handicap Calculator' does not work for CONGU as Par takes no part in the calculation here. It should be entered as the same as Course Rating.

See also the official USGA version

https://www.usga.org/course-handicap-calculator.html

I also noticed that the calculator asks for the score for each round and most players will not know to adjust for hole scores worse than nett double bogey.

 

[Fish]

I also noticed that the calculator asks for the score for each round and most players will not know to adjust for hole scores worse than nett double bogey.

so are you saying if you scored say a 9 on a par 4 with a shot you’d still put 9 and not adjust it, or do as I have done, and adjust it to 7.

 

[jim8flog]

so are you saying if you scored say a 9 on a par 4 with a shot you’d still put 9 and not adjust it, or do as I have done, and adjust it to 7.

Yes that is right. You would still put 9 on the card in a medal as the software adjusts the score for handicap purposes.

It depends on your handicap and how many strokes you would receive on the hole in Stableford terms

So on a par 4 where you received one shot nett double bogey = 7 gross. ie 7 -1 =6 = 0 points so any score above 7 gets rounded down to 7
if you received two shots it would be 8 gross 8 - 2=6= 0 points.

 

[rulefan]

I just used that calculator, when I put my index in, which I assume is my current handicap, then the slope, par etc, I get 4 extra shots!

Is the par the same as the SSS (ie Course Rating)? If not, you will get the wrong answer. Enter par as the same as SSS/CR.

 

[Fish]

Yes that is right. You would still put 9 on the card in a medal as the software adjusts the score for handicap purposes.

It depends on your handicap and how many strokes you would receive on the hole in Stableford terms

So on a par 4 where you received one shot nett double bogey = 7 gross. ie 7 -1 =6 = 0 points so any score above 7 gets rounded down to 7
if you received two shots it would be 8 gross 8 - 2=6= 0 points.

I know all that, I’m asking about the figure to put in the calculator, does it have to match the card or do we adjust it ourselves.

 

[Fish]

Is the par the same as the SSS (ie Course Rating)? If not, you will get the wrong answer. Enter par as the same as SSS/CR.

par is the same now, it never used to be, which was a pain, but thankfully it’s now 73/73.

 

[rulefan]

Yes that is right. You would still put 9 on the card in a medal as the software adjusts the score for handicap purposes.

It depends on your handicap and how many strokes you would receive on the hole in Stableford terms

So on a par 4 where you received one shot nett double bogey = 7 gross. ie 7 -1 =6 = 0 points so any score above 7 gets rounded down to 7
if you received two shots it would be 8 gross 8 - 2=6= 0 points.

I thought the question was re calculating a handicap index. The web site (https://www.calculator.net/golf-handicap-calculator.html) only asks for the 18 hole total score so cannot know about net double bogey.
That adjustment has to be made before entering 18 hole totals into the system

 

[Fish]

I thought the question was re calculating a handicap index. The web site (https://www.calculator.net/golf-handicap-calculator.html) only asks for the 18 hole total score so cannot know about net double bogey.
That adjustment has to be made before entering 18 hole totals into the system

It was, thank you for the clarification.

 

[jim8flog]

I thought the question was re calculating a handicap index. The web site (https://www.calculator.net/golf-handicap-calculator.html) only asks for the 18 hole total score so cannot know about net double bogey.
That adjustment has to be made before entering 18 hole totals into the system

Which is my point. If a player is going to use this calculator they cannot simply put the round score in if there are hole scores on the card that require the nett double bogey adjustment. They have to put the adjusted score in which they must do for themselves if they are just keeping their own records. If they are taking the score from their handicap record then the must use the appropriate (already) adjusted figures.

I know all that, I’m asking about the figure to put in the calculator, does it have to match the card or do we adjust it ourselves.

See above