World Handicap System (WHS)

[Deleted member 3432]

a prime example was, i played with a guy in the Golspie open about 12 years ago, he shot level par gross in a high wind and rain, no one else broke 90, was rO and he got a really good cut, really showed me what a good scratch player could do,

so the days of only one person breaking 80 and getting a good cut are well and truly gone and those scores won't count for anything any longer

I think its more of a case of player's knowing a cricket score is guaranteed due to conditions so just sacking it off altogether.

I know our secretary thinks doing away with RO is a mistake and will mean days when there are mass withdrawals from comps.


Potential for creating fine weather golfers.....oh thats me already, no wonder I don't play much at Silloth ?

 

[patricks148]

For example if it's par/SSS 72 and the PCC is +3 (same as CSS in old money being 75), the gross score of 72 is still measured against 75 like it was in the old days (CSS could never go up more than 3).

The guy's differential for that round will still be worked out based on the gross being 3 under, just under a different system.

So its now called PCC, how does that work?

 

[Deleted member 3432]

The inference from EG is that PCC will not kick in as often as the CSS/SSS change, upwards or downward. It would take a greater deviation from expected scoring for the PCC to come in.

Need to find myself a parkland 50 miles from the coast where a 5 mph wind is storm force sharpish ?

 

[Deleted member 3432]

So its now called PCC, how does that work?

Similar to CSS but without the RO part and
designed to penalise windy links tracks ?

 

[patricks148]

Club have go to me in the recalc, gone from 4.2 Was 5.0 in the old handicap, now up to 5.2, help in my quest for double figures

 

[patricks148]

Similar to CSS but without the RO part and
designed to penalise windy links tracks ?

as you say i can just see, lots pulling out of comps when its crap weather, mind you it was frustrating playing bounce games midweek in no wind and sunny / warm, get to Sat and comp day and its blowing a gale

 

[Imurg]

I don't really see why people would pull out of comps due to weather any more or less than they would before.

Under the new system, if we have a bad score and it's nowhere near our best 8, it will never count anyway and just disappear after 20 more scores.

It could knock a counting score out of the 20..

 

[Deleted member 3432]

as you say i can just see, lots pulling out of comps when its crap weather, mind you it was frustrating playing bounce games midweek in no wind and sunny / warm, get to Sat and comp day and its blowing a gale

I guess the positive is if its a nice day midweek you have the option to put a card in.

 

[patricks148]

I don't really see why people would pull out of comps due to weather any more or less than they would before.

Under the new system, if we have a bad score and it's nowhere near our best 8, it will never count anyway and just disappear after 20 more scores.

in the old system at my club anyway, all our scores were from comps, so if it was a medal on Sat most would play regardless, now you can stick a card in when you like, you can pick and choose more when to put cards in. less reliant on the one day a week for that score, you could be right it might not effect too many, but i could def see myself less inclined to go out in all weathers any longer

 

[Deleted member 3432]

I don't really see why people would pull out of comps due to weather any more or less than they would before.

Under the new system, if we have a bad score and it's nowhere near our best 8, it will never count anyway and just disappear after 20 more scores.

We're not all as consistent as you...

 

[patricks148]

I guess the positive is if its a nice day midweek you have the option to put a card in.

yes thats what i a few of my reg partners will be doing esp in our role ups midweek

 

[Deleted member 3432]

in the old system at my club anyway, all our scores were from comps, so if it was a medal on Sat most would play regardless, now you can stick a card in when you like, you can pick and choose more when to put cards in. less reliant on the one day a week for that score, you could be right it might not effect too many, but i could def see myself less inclined to go out in all weathers any longer

Don't mind 35mph wind but I don't leave the house if its raining.

Working shifts and able to play every weekend I may put some cards in midweek. Depends if we are allowed to use the comp tees midweek.

 

[Imurg]

That will always be happening on a rolling basis.
Once one of the best 8 becomes the 20th score, it will be replaced by whatever the next best in the top 8 is. That could be a worse, an equal or a better score if it's beaten today.

For regular players it's going to be a very normal occurrence.

Absolutely but if the chances of matching or beating that 20th score are next to zero some people won't go out..

 

[Deleted member 3432]

Absolutely but if the chances of matching or beating that 20th score are next to zero some people won't go out..

Especially when you're not hit a ball for a fortnight....

 

[Imurg]

The disappearing score isn't just getting replaced by what you score today, it's getting replaced by the next best score, which could be today's with a good score, or more likely something already in the system.

If your 8th counting score is your 20th and its also your best then putting in a 101 could have a big effect on your averages.
You used to get it under the old system, the guaranteed 0.1 but sometimes reductions only kicked in.
But now, if people know the above scenario, some won't go out in weather where they're guaranteed not to score well.

 

[jim8flog]

I think its more of a case of player's knowing a cricket score is guaranteed due to conditions so just sacking it off altogether.

I know our secretary thinks doing away with RO is a mistake and will mean days when there are mass withdrawals from comps.

?

That makes no sense to me. If the day is likely to produce a very high score then it simply means that score is not likely to be one of the best 8 although I do accept it may knock a very good score off a players history but that would happen with any score.

 

[Imurg]

If today's score is not in your new best 8 it doesn't matter if you shoot 81, 91, 101 or 201, it will have zero effect.

In itself it will have no effect
But if it knocks a counting score out of your 20 then it will have an effect
The size of that effect will be dictated by the next best score that becomes counting.

 

[patricks148]

If your 8th counting score is your 20th and its also your best then putting in a 101 could have a big effect on your averages.
You used to get it under the old system, the guaranteed 0.1 but sometimes reductions only kicked in.
But now, if people know the above scenario, some won't go out in weather where they're guaranteed not to score well.

my 19th and 20th scores are by two best scores of my 8....hopes its not crap weather come the first medal

 

[Imurg]

my 19th and 20th scores are by two best scores of my 8....hopes its not crap weather come the first medal

Up to you if you play or not

 

[Deleted member 3432]

my 19th and 20th scores are by two best scores of my 8....hopes its not crap weather come the first medal

Mine are 113 and 107 so I have a good chance of beating them....?