World Handicap System (WHS)

[nickjdavis]

How did you manage that under WHS? It didn't start til November.

It might not have started until November but players records clearly show historical calculations of changes in index based on their historical scores going ack to Jan 2018.

 

[sweaty sock]

Your WHS record will only update/change after you submit a qualifying score.

The WHS as a whole updates daily.

So if I play a morning round, my handicap could change for the afternoon, or would it be like the good old days where I have to self adjust?

Self adjustment could be more complicated than adding 0.1!

 

[rulefan]

In the past some same-day 36 hole comps stipulated cuts after the 1st round, others said we play all 36 off the same handicap.

As WHS updates overnight now, logic has me guessing that same-day 36 hole comps will all be played off the initial starting handicap, and we won't see changes until the next day.

CONGU has always recommended that 36 hole comps be played off the same handicap for result purposes but handicap adjustments must be made independently for each round.
I have never seen a 36 hole comp where caps were adjusted between rounds but no doubt it happened somewhere.
Your logic would seem to be correct. In fact I'm not sure how a change in cap between rounds would be managed in the WHS/ISV software

 

[jim8flog]

So if I play a morning round, my handicap could change for the afternoon, or would it be like the good old days where I have to self adjust?

Self adjustment could be more complicated than adding 0.1!

You have never been allowed to self adjust upwards. Self adjustment was a must for downwards only.

With the WHS your handicap stays the same all day. Self adjustment does not need to be done any time. Whatever the WHS says on the day that is the handicap for the day even if they should have adjusted it and have not.

 

[jim8flog]

How did you manage that under WHS? It didn't start til November.

I am just quoting my WHS record which obviously goes back to Jan 2018. I presume all caps will be based upon that record and not have a start date of 2nd November 2020.

When it came in the low index on my handicap record was 8 and not 9.8 which was my initial H.I..

 

[rulefan]

I am just quoting my WHS record which obviously goes back to Jan 2018. I presume all caps will be based upon that record and not have a start date of 2nd November 2020.

When it came in the low index on my handicap record was 8 and not 9.8 which was my initial H.I..

Ok.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Got this early Jan from our Club Rabbit Captain.
I guess Club's Opens should follow suit. Where are you playing?
“For the purpose of the Yorkshire Rabbit Golf Association, a Rabbit Golfer shall be a male playing member of the age of 18 years or over with a Handicap Index of 15 or greater”

Just had an email back from the club and they are doing exactly as you quote. A HI of 15 will be the cut off.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

It depends on how many good scores you have recorded prior to the winter. But how/where have you managed to gain the experience since November?

I'm not sure what you meant. I am the Handicap Chairman at my club so I see the scores on a daily basis.

My experience - other than living with WHS for the last couple of years - has been working with members to explain why their handicap has not gone up as much as they thought due to the soft cap gearing and eventually the hard cap maximum.

Many of our seniors have got used to putting in 3 or 4 cards a week so their playing records are quite dynamic. The played who hit the hard cap had a number of good scores from summer 2018 which got flushed by the 10 scores in December and he hit the hard cap just before lockdown 3.

It is not unusual for our members - particularly our seniors - to put in 1 or 2 competition cards and 2 or more general play rounds per week. We had several players who had 50+ rounds between lockdown 1 and WHS golive.

 

[rulefan]

I'm not sure what you meant. I am the Handicap Chairman at my club so I see the scores on a daily basis.

My experience - other than living with WHS for the last couple of years - has been working with members to explain why their handicap has not gone up as much as they thought due to the soft cap gearing and eventually the hard cap maximum.

Many of our seniors have got used to putting in 3 or 4 cards a week so their playing records are quite dynamic. The played who hit the hard cap had a number of good scores from summer 2018 which got flushed by the 10 scores in December and he hit the hard cap just before lockdown 3.

It is not unusual for our members - particularly our seniors - to put in 1 or 2 competition cards and 2 or more general play rounds per week. We had several players who had 50+ rounds between lockdown 1 and WHS golive.

I am impressed by their diligence

 

[sweaty sock]

CONGU has always recommended that 36 hole comps be played off the same handicap for result purposes but handicap adjustments must be made independently for each round.
I have never seen a 36 hole comp where caps were adjusted between rounds but no doubt it happened somewhere.
Your logic would seem to be correct. In fact I'm not sure how a change in cap between rounds would be managed in the WHS/ISV software

Thanks all, every 36 hole I've ever played has maintained the same handicap throughout, not that it normally matters as they're normally gross competitions. I was more interested in its potential impact on the rabbits stuff being talked about. Could someone have been in with a handicap of 15.0, then put a card in from a morning practice round and by the afternoon rabbits match be 13.8 (for example). If it updates overnight then that clears it up.

 

[rulefan]

If it updates overnight .....

It does.

But I wonder how the two club handle the match handicap (ie strokes received) in a match. Eg if in the morning the player had a starting CH of 17 (Index say 15.1) for the general round but as a result in the pm match his CH (Index say 14.2) would have come down by a stroke.

 

[jim8flog]

It does.

But I wonder how the two club handle the match handicap (ie strokes received) in a match. Eg if in the morning the player had a starting CH of 17 (Index say 15.1) for the general round but as a result in the pm match his CH (Index say 14.2) would have come down by a stroke.

The Handicap Index stays the same all day regardless of any scores input earlier in the day. The club should not be doing anything.

 

[rulefan]

The Handicap Index stays the same all day regardless of any scores input earlier in the day. The club should not be doing anything.

Yes, I would agree. So in effect it is a daylong Handicap (Index).

 

[sweaty sock]

So Mardy Fish is averaging 40 points a round in his attempt to gain a third, prestigious pro am event.

Call me a nay-sayer but sandbagging much...

Desperately hope the EGU give local handicap sec's the tools clamp down harder than the US lot do.

 

[anotherdouble]

So Mardy Fish is averaging 40 points a round in his attempt to gain a third, prestigious pro am event.

Call me a nay-sayer but sandbagging much...

Desperately hope the EGU give local handicap sec's the tools clamp down harder than the US lot do.

It’s not proper stableford Scoring. Something like 5pts eagle, 4 points birdie etc.

 

[anotherdouble]

0 double or worse
1 bogey
2 par
3 birdie ?
5 eagle ?
10 albatross

He looks scratch-ish, but beating Annika by miles and she's miles better than scratch so not sure what's going on with the strokes.

Pro tennis player. If they off the same tee then he could be 50 yards ahead. Am only surmising.

 

[sweaty sock]

Ahh, I stand corrected.

 

[sweaty sock]

Hes beating the rest of the amatuers by a country mile too!

 

[anotherdouble]

Mardy Fish just had 241 to the pin and casually faded a soft-landing fairway wood to about 15 foot...?

Wow.

That’s why he even beating Annika

 

[anotherdouble]

Incredible, just wish they would show the handicaps.
If he's 1,for example, he might be getting 3 shots per round?

They just had a quick segment where they introduced themselves but handicaps not mentioned.