World Handicap System (WHS)

[anotherdouble]

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Incredible, just wish they would show the handicaps.
If he's 1,for example, he might be getting 3 shots per round?

ant find his handicap, but he nearly made it past final stage in Korn Ferry q school and he played with Jack at his course and he shot 6 under for 9 holes Smoltz plays off +2.8

 

[sweaty sock]

That makes it worse, if he's that low his handicap should be under massive scrutiny?!

I can accept hes on form, but winning it for a third time?!

 

[sweaty sock]

That would remove all my worries!

 

[sweaty sock]

While digging I've not been able to find anything about wether its gross or not, but did discover the celebrity event has a first prize of $100k! That the vast majority of celebrities are pro's to enable them to recieve prize money, so now Im totally confused as to what the format could be!!

 

[Imurg]

I'm getting quite good at this golf thing it seems......
Managed to get the handicap cut overnight..another 0.3 nearer scratch and I haven't hit a ball in a month....or put a card in for 3 months.
Hell, at this rate if I don't play for 18 months I will be off scratch...
Anyone else been adjusted recently...without playing?

 

[IanM]

Be careful. The WHS police might report you for breaking lockdown

 

[patricks148]

Nairn have now decided to recalc all the new handicaps themselves, SG keep using the wrong tee/Slope/CR so some are way off. Slow dave has gone back to his orig of 3 was down to 1 in the WHS and another guy i know the same but went to 0. not done mine yet, as doing it alphabetical

 

[rulefan]

I'm getting quite good at this golf thing it seems......
Managed to get the handicap cut overnight..another 0.3 nearer scratch and I haven't hit a ball in a month....or put a card in for 3 months.
Hell, at this rate if I don't play for 18 months I will be off scratch...
Anyone else been adjusted recently...without playing?

Quite a few I imagine. DotGolf and EG are still working through adjustments (ie corrections).

 

[AliMc]

Nairn have now decided to recalc all the new handicaps themselves, SG keep using the wrong tee/Slope/CR so some are way off. Slow dave has gone back to his orig of 3 was down to 1 in the WHS and another guy i know the same but went to 0. not done mine yet, as doing it alphabetical

Have to say that after a couple of initial tweeks mine is correct, played 4 GP rounds so far using the SG App, have to say it has worked perfectly and is super slick, didn't think I would be saying that !

 

[patricks148]

Have to say that after a couple of initial tweeks mine is correct, played 4 GP rounds so far using the SG App, have to say it has worked perfectly and is super slick, didn't think I would be saying that !

this wasn't anything to do with the WHS as such only that SG had used the wrong tee and S?CR to work out some of the handicaps, despite the club raising this with them, they failed to get it right sev times.

 

[rulefan]

Yes, a couple of weeks ago.
Ridiculous that they're making changes but completely ignoring the farcical way county comps were input.

I haven't been involved with particular issue but can you shed some light on how they were input? To what extent do you reckon that these scores will affect the players' Index when serious play resumes?

 

[rulefan]

CSS was used as the baseline instead of the CR, and then the PCC was also added, giving a double increase in cases of the CSS going up on the day.

For example, CR 71.5. SSS 72, CSS 75.
They used 75 as the CR AND added the PCC of 3. As a result, instead of a gross 73 being measured against the (CR plus PCC) =74.5, what's happened is that the 73 has been measured against the (CSS 75 plus the PCC) = 78...!
They've double-dipped, taken account of the difficulty by using the CSS, then adding the difficulty again by adding the PCC. Absolutely bonkers.

I laid it out that clearly 78 could never be the number by which scores are assessed for handicap when the normal SSS is 72, eventually EG just came back and waffled a load of nonsense and said tough luck, they're not changing anything.

Going forward, if they kept the same method it would mean that all good scores in county competitions would result in ridiculous handicap decreases not in line with normal adjustments on days when, in old money, CSS goes up from SSS.

Thanks. I now remember the issue but I thought they had said it would be resolved for the future. I'll check.

 

[rosecott]

CSS was used as the baseline instead of the CR, and then the PCC was also added, giving a double increase in cases of the CSS going up on the day.

For example, CR 71.5. SSS 72, CSS 75.
They used 75 as the CR AND added the PCC of 3. As a result, instead of a gross 73 being measured against the (CR plus PCC) =74.5, what's happened is that the 73 has been measured against the (CSS 75 plus the PCC) = 78...!
They've double-dipped, taken account of the difficulty by using the CSS, then adding the difficulty again by adding the PCC. Absolutely bonkers.

I laid it out that clearly 78 could never be the number by which scores are assessed for handicap when the normal SSS is 72, eventually EG just came back and waffled a load of nonsense and said tough luck, they're not changing anything.

Going forward, if they kept the same method it would mean that all good scores in county competitions would result in ridiculous handicap decreases not in line with normal adjustments on days when, in old money, CSS goes up from SSS.

But, surely, CSS will not be a factor going forward. Handicaps will be assessed on the gross scores plus any PCC. CSS no longer exists.

 

[rulefan]

Yes.
But during the changeover to calculate current handicaps, they effectively added the PCC twice by not using the correct CR plus PCC, but instead used the CSS plus PCC.

The new equivalent of that would be using the adjusted CR (CR plus PCC) plus the PCC again.

I can't see how that would happen. The data source is quite different. The transition was taken from the CDH format records. New comps data will be from the WHS content of whatever ISV is being used.

 

[howbow88]

I've gone down too! 9.9 to 9.8 The last round I played was 1 Aug!

 

[rulefan]

I'll trust your faith... ? ?

How could it happen as there is no such animal as a CSS calculation now?

 

[patricks148]

any news on what the playing conditions addition sim to RO and the CSS increasing addition will be for instance when its really windy etc?

the few opens i play tend to be on the tough side conditions wise and are usually RO

 

[Deleted member 3432]

any news on what the playing conditions addition sim to RO and the CSS increasing addition will be for instance when its really windy etc?

the few opens i play tend to be on the tough side conditions wise and are usually RO

New category introduced called 'stay in bed.'

PCC will go up like CSS does now but RO is a gonner. The days where you turn up knowing its going to be brutal but at least its not a .1 are over, its going to be there among your 20 scores ?

 

[patricks148]

New category introduced called 'stay in bed.'

PCC will go up like CSS does now but RO is a gonner. The days where you turn up knowing its going to be brutal but at least its not a .1 are over, its going to be there among your 20 scores ?

a prime example was, i played with a guy in the Golspie open about 12 years ago, he shot level par gross in a high wind and rain, no one else broke 90, was rO and he got a really good cut, really showed me what a good scratch player could do,

so the days of only one person breaking 80 and getting a good cut are well and truly gone and those scores won't count for anything any longer

 

[D-S]

The inference from EG is that PCC will not kick in as often as the CSS/SSS change, upwards or downward. It would take a greater deviation from expected scoring for the PCC to come in.